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FR2841341A1 - Method for determining the output current and load torque of a vehicle generator, comprises measurement of speed and excitation current and processing them using stored tables and curves - Google Patents

Method for determining the output current and load torque of a vehicle generator, comprises measurement of speed and excitation current and processing them using stored tables and curves Download PDF

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FR2841341A1 FR0307451A FR0307451A FR2841341A1 FR 2841341 A1 FR2841341 A1 FR 2841341A1 FR 0307451 A FR0307451 A FR 0307451A FR 0307451 A FR0307451 A FR 0307451A FR 2841341 A1 FR2841341 A1 FR 2841341A1
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The output current and/or load torque of a vehicle generator (9) are determined by measuring the generator speed and excitation current. The generator speed is measured by a dedicated equipment (8) and the generator excitation current by a module (6) within the generator regulator (7). The data obtained is supplied to a processor (10) which produces the output current using stored test tables with compensation for air gap width : An independent claim is also included for equipment to measure generator speed and excitation current.

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Domaine de ['invention La presente invention concerne un procede pour determiner le courant de sortie d'un generateur de vehicule dont la tension de sortie  Field of the invention The present invention relates to a method for determining the output current of a vehicle generator, the output voltage of which

est regulee par un regulateur de generateur.  is regulated by a generator regulator.

s L'invention concerne egalement un dispositif pour la mise  s The invention also relates to a device for setting

en ccuvre de ce procede.in this process.

Etat de la technique Le couple de charge et le courant de sortie d'un generateur de vehicule vent des parametres ou grandeurs caracterisffques importan o tes pour faire un bilan energetique dans un reseau electrique embarque  STATE OF THE ART The load torque and the output current of a vehicle generator have important parameters or characteristic quantities for carrying out an energy balance in an on-board electrical network.

ou pour une gestion effective du moteur d'un vehicule automobile.  or for effective management of the engine of a motor vehicle.

Le courant de sortie du generateur se calcule habituelle ment a partir de la vitesse de rotation n du generateur, du courant d' excitation I err et de l' entrefer d entre le rotor et le stator en utilisant un s champ de caracteristiques defini pour chaque generateur. Le courant d'excitation Ierr du generateur se calcule a partir du rapport de travail (T conduction/T conduction blocage) d'un transistor de commutation bran chant le champ d'excitation, la temperature du champ d'excitation T que lton determine par exemple indirectement a partir de la temperature de l' enceinte du moteur, la resistance R du champ d' excitation ainsi que des resistances de perte parasite dans le chemin d'excitation Rpar, valeurs que l'on evalue. Pour determiner le courant du generateur Igen, on appli que la formule: Igen=f(n,T, R. Rpar, Ubat, d) s La vitesse de rotation n du generateur et la tension de sortie Ubat du generateur peuvent se mesurer. Au contraire la temperature du champ d'excitation T. la resistance du champ d'excitation R et leur depen dance a la temperature ainsi que les resistances de perte parasite Rpar vent des grandeurs difficiles a determiner mais ces grandeurs influencent so fortement le resultat. Les deviations pour la temperature T effective du champ d'excitation, celles dans la determination de la resistance R du champ d'excitation et celles de la tension effectivement appliquee au champ d'excitation se repercutent directement sur le calcul du courant de  The generator output current is usually calculated from the generator rotation speed n, the excitation current I err and the air gap d between the rotor and the stator using a characteristic field defined for each generator. The excitation current Ierr of the generator is calculated from the working ratio (T conduction / T conduction blocking) of a switching transistor switching on the excitation field, the temperature of the excitation field T as determined by example indirectly from the temperature of the engine enclosure, the resistance R of the excitation field as well as the parasitic loss resistors in the excitation path Rpar, values that are evaluated. To determine the current of the generator Igen, we apply the formula: Igen = f (n, T, R. Rpar, Ubat, d) s The speed of rotation n of the generator and the output voltage Ubat of the generator can be measured. On the contrary, the temperature of the excitation field T. the resistance of the excitation field R and their dependence on temperature as well as the parasitic loss resistances R by wind of the quantities difficult to determine but these quantities influence the result so strongly. The deviations for the effective temperature T of the excitation field, those in the determination of the resistance R of the excitation field and those of the voltage actually applied to the excitation field are directly reflected in the calculation of the current of

sortie Igen du generateur.Igen output from the generator.

ss Pour calculer le couple de charge Mgen du generateur on applique la relation suivante: Mgen=f(Igen,Ubat,n) Comme cela apparat, il en resulte un courant de sortie de  ss To calculate the load torque Mgen of the generator, we apply the following relation: Mgen = f (Igen, Ubat, n) As it appears, the result is an output current of

generateur Igen relativement imprecis.  relatively imprecise Igen generator.

La precision du calcul du courant de sortie du generateur Igen ou du couple de charge du generateur Mgen pour faire le calcul du bilan de charge ou pour la gestion du moteur en particulier le fonctionne ment du moteur au ralenti est falble. C'est pourquoi la determination de  The accuracy of calculating the output current of the generator Igen or the load torque of the generator Mgen for calculating the load balance or for managing the engine in particular the operation of the engine at idle is falble. This is why the determination of

ces grandeurs demande relativement beaucoup de calcul.  these quantities require relatively a lot of calculation.

But de ['invention La presente invention a pour but de developper la precision o du calcul du courant de sortie du generateur ou du couple de charge et de  Aim of the invention The aim of the present invention is to develop the precision o of the calculation of the generator output current or of the load torque and of

reduire en meme temps ['importance des calculs.  at the same time reduce the importance of the calculations.

Expose de ['invention A cet effet ['invention concerne un procede du type defini ci dessus, caracterise en ce qu' s - on mesure la vitesse de rotation du generateur, - on mesure le courant d'excitation, - on fournit les valeurs mesurees a une installation de traitement, et - on determine le courant de sortie du generateur a partir des valeurs mesurees. o L'invention concerne egalement un dispositif pour resoudre ce probleme, ce dispositif est caracterise par une installation pour mesu rer la vitesse de rotation du generateur, une installation pour mesurer le courant d'excitation, les valeurs mesurees etant transmises a une instal lation de traitement qui determine le courant de sortie du generateur a  Disclosure of the invention To this end the invention relates to a method of the type defined above, characterized in that - the speed of rotation of the generator is measured, - the excitation current is measured, - the values are supplied measured at a treatment installation, and - the generator output current is determined from the measured values. o The invention also relates to a device for solving this problem, this device is characterized by an installation for measuring the rotational speed of the generator, an installation for measuring the excitation current, the measured values being transmitted to an installation of processing which determines the generator output current at

partir des valeurs mesurees.from the measured values.

La caracteristique es s entielle de [ 'invention con sis te a me surer de preference directement le courant d' excitation dans le regulateur du generateur et a fournir la valeur mesuree par l'intermediaire d'une in terface appropriee a un appareil de commande (unite de traitement) pour o calculer a partir de la le courant de sortie du generateur ou le couple de charge. La mesure directe du courant d'excitation permet d'eviter les im precisions evo quees ci- dessus dans [' evaluation du courant d' excitation et d'ameliorer considerablement le calcul du courant de sortie du generateur  The essential characteristics of the invention are preferably to directly measure the excitation current in the generator regulator and to supply the value measured by means of an interface suitable for a control device ( processing unit) to calculate from the generator output current or the load torque. Direct measurement of the excitation current makes it possible to avoid the above-mentioned inaccuracies in the evaluation of the excitation current and to considerably improve the calculation of the generator output current.

et du couple de charge.and the load torque.

ss Ainsi, le calcul du courant de sortie du generateur Igen et du couple de charge Mgen dans l'appareil de commande est lie par les re lations suivantes: Igen=f(n,Ierr,d) Mgen=f(Igen,Ubat,n) Le courant de sortie du generateur et/ou le couple de charge vent determines de preference a partir des courbes caracteristiques  ss Thus, the calculation of the output current of the generator Igen and the load torque Mgen in the control device is linked by the following relations: Igen = f (n, Ierr, d) Mgen = f (Igen, Ubat, n) The generator output current and / or the wind load torque preferably determined from the characteristic curves

ou de tableaux enregistres par exemple dans l'appareil de commande.  or tables saved for example in the control unit.

s Le systeme contient en memoire par exemple un champ de courbes caracteristiques courant du generateur/vitesse de rotation ou en core couple de charge/vitesse de rotation de sorte que le courant de sortie du generateur ou le couple de charge du generateur peuvent etre fournis directement en tenant compte des autres grandeurs (n, Ubat, d). Au choix  s The system contains in memory for example a field of characteristic curves of the generator current / rotational speed or in core load torque / rotational speed so that the generator output current or the generator load torque can be supplied directly taking into account the other quantities (n, Ubat, d). A choice

o on peut egalement calculer le courant de sortie ou le couple de charge.  o you can also calculate the output current or the load torque.

Par la mesure directe du courant d'excitation (a ['aide d'un dispositif de mesure de courant approprie) on aura encore des grandeurs qui se determinant de maniere relativement precise pour obtenir le cou rant de sortie du generateur et le couple de charge. L'unique grandeur im s portante, inconnue est ltentrefer d du generateur. Pour ltentrefer d on utilise habituellement une valeur moyenne fournie par la fabrication. Il  By direct measurement of the excitation current (using an appropriate current measurement device), we will have quantities which are determined in a relatively precise way to obtain the output current of the generator and the load torque. . The only large, unknown quantity is the air gap d of the generator. For the air gap, an average value supplied by the manufacturer is usually used. he

peut stagir d'un entrefer d effectif relativement imprecis.  can come from a relatively imprecise working air gap.

Pour ameliorer encore plus la precision dans le contrOle du generateur (mesure de ltetat de contrdle) on peut regler un courant de sor o tie de generateur mesure reellement, et que l' on obtient pour le courant d'excitation predetermine et une vitesse de rotation donnee, pour compen ser les courbes caracteristiques enregistrees dans le systeme et les adap ter a ltentrefer effectif du generateur. Par exemple on peut determiner un coefficient de correction avec lequel on corrige le courant de sortie du ge s nerateur ou le couple de charge, enregistres dans le systeme, pour elimi ner ['influence de l'entrefer d. Au choix a partir de la mesure faite sur un bane d'essai, on peut egalement calculer de facon inverse l'entrefer effectif d qui pourra alors servir a determiner le courant de sortie du generateur  To further improve the precision in the generator control (control state measurement) one can adjust a generator output current actually measured, and that one obtains for the predetermined excitation current and a rotation speed given, to compensate for the characteristic curves recorded in the system and to adapt them to the effective air gap of the generator. For example, a correction coefficient can be determined with which the output current of the generator or the load torque, recorded in the system, is corrected to eliminate the influence of the air gap. Optionally from the measurement made on a test tank, we can also calculate inversely the effective air gap d which can then be used to determine the generator output current

ou le couple de charge.or the load torque.

Dessins La presente invention sera decrite ci-apres de maniere plus detaillee a ['aide d'un exemple de realisation represente dans les dessins annexes dans lesquels: - la figure l montre un exemple d'un champ de caracteristiques cou 3s rant/vitesse de rotation d'un generateur, - la figure 2 montre un ordinogramme presentant le procede pour deter miner le courant du generateur, - la figure 3 est une vue schematique d'un dispositif pour determiner le  Drawings The present invention will be described below in more detail with the aid of an exemplary embodiment represented in the annexed drawings in which: - Figure l shows an example of a field of characteristics neck 3s speed / speed of rotation of a generator, - Figure 2 shows a flowchart presenting the process for determining the current of the generator, - Figure 3 is a schematic view of a device for determining the

courant de sortie d'un generateur de vehicule automobile.  output current of a motor vehicle generator.

Description d'un mode de realisation  Description of an embodiment

La figure l montre un champ de caracteristiques courant de s generateur/vitesse de rotation enregistre dans un systeme. Ce champ re presente ['influence du courant d' excitation I err et de lt entrefer d sur le courant de sortie Igen fourni par le generateur. Comme cela apparat, le courant de sortie Igen du generateur augmente avec le courant  Figure l shows a field of current generator characteristics / rotational speed recorded in a system. This field represents the influence of the excitation current I err and the air gap d on the output current Igen supplied by the generator. As it appears, the output current Igen of the generator increases with the current

d'excitation Ierr (Ierrl>Ierr3).excitation Ierr (Ierrl> Ierr3).

La courbe caracteristique de courant, inferieure (Ierr3) montre en outre ['influence de ltentrefer d; il apparat que le courant de sortie Igen du generateur diminue legerement avec ['augmentation de ltentrefer. Pour eliminer ['imprecision liee a differentes valeurs s d'entrefer d dans le calcul du courant de sortie du generateur et du couple de charge du generateur, lors d'une mesure sur le bane d'essai, on utilise le courant de sortie reellement mesure du generateur. A partir de la me sure du bane d'essai on obtient sous les conditions definies (courant d' excitation I err et vitess e de rotation n) un courant de generateur a [' aide  The lower current characteristic curve (Ierr3) further shows the influence of the air gap d; it appears that the generator output current Igen decreases slightly with the increase in the air gap. To eliminate the imprecision linked to different air gap values d in the calculation of the generator output current and the generator load torque, when measuring on the test tank, the actual output current is used generator measure. From the measurement of the test strip, a generator current is obtained under the defined conditions (excitation current I err and speed of rotation n).

o duquel on peut corriger de maniere correspondante les caracteristiques.  where the characteristics can be corrected correspondingly.

A cote des courbes de courant caracteristiques on a egale ment enregistre dans le systeme les courbes caracteristiques du couple (ces courbes ne vent pas representees); a partir de ces courbes on peut  Beside the characteristic current curves, the characteristic torque curves have also been recorded in the system (these curves are not shown); from these curves we can

fire le couple de charge instantane ou actuel.  fire the instantaneous or current load torque.

s La figure 2 montre un ordinogramme presentant le pro cede permettant de determiner de maniere simple le courant de sortie Igen du generateur. Dans le procede pour determiner le courant de sortie Igen on utilise dans une premiere etape 1 tout d'abord la vitesse de rotation n du generateur et dans une seconde etape 2 on mesure le courant d' excitation I err. D ans une troisieme etape on determine le courant Igen du generateur a partir des valeurs mesurees. Cela se fait a ['aide des courbes caracteristiques ou de tableaux enregistres dans une installation  s Figure 2 shows a flowchart showing the method for easily determining the output current Igen of the generator. In the method for determining the output current Igen, in a first step 1, the rotation speed n of the generator is used first and in a second step 2, the excitation current I err is measured. In a third step, the current Igen of the generator is determined from the measured values. This is done using characteristic curves or tables recorded in an installation

de traitement (appareil de commande).  processing (control unit).

Dans ['exploitation des courbes caracteristiques on tient compte de la valeur effective de ltentrefer d du generateur; cette grandeur  In the exploitation of the characteristic curves one takes into account the effective value of the air gap d of the generator; this greatness

est celle obtenue precedemment dans les mesures sur le bane d'essai.  is that obtained previously in the measurements on the test tank.

Par la mesure directe du courant d'excitation Ierr on peut  By direct measurement of the excitation current Ierr we can

definir de maniere tres precise le courant de sortie Igen du generateur.  very precisely define the output current Igen of the generator.

La figure 3 montre un dispositif pour determiner le courant de sortie Igen d'un generateur de vehicule 9 dont la tension de sortie est regulee par un regulateur de generateur 7. Le dispositif comprend en ou tre une installation 8 pour mesurer la vitesse de rotation n du generateur et une installation 6 p our mesurer le courant d' excitation I err. Les valeurs mesurees vent appliquees a une installation de traitement l0 qui deter mine le courant de sortie Igen du generateur a partir des valeurs mesu 0 rees. On peut extraire directement le courant de sortie du generateur Igen par exemple en utilisant des tableaux ou des courbes caracteristiques en  FIG. 3 shows a device for determining the output current Igen of a vehicle generator 9, the output voltage of which is regulated by a generator regulator 7. The device further comprises an installation 8 for measuring the speed of rotation n of the generator and an installation 6 to measure the excitation current I err. The measured values are applied to a processing installation 10 which detects the generator output current Igen from the measured values. We can directly extract the output current from the generator Igen for example by using tables or characteristic curves in

registrees dans le systeme.registered in the system.

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1-3 Etape de precede 6 Installation de mesure s 7 Regulateur du generateur 8 Dispositif de mesure de la vitesse de rotation 9 Generateur to Unite de traitement Igen Courant du generateur lo Ierr Courant d'excitation d Entrefer n Vitesse de rotation (regime)  1-3 Previous step 6 Measuring installation s 7 Generator regulator 8 Speed measurement device 9 Generator to Igen processing unit Generator current lo Ierr Air excitation current n Rotation speed (speed)

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REVEND I CATI ONSRESELL I CATI ONS 1 ) Procede pour determiner le courant de sortie (Igen) d'un generateur de vehicule dont la tension de sortie est regulee par un regulateur de gene rateur, caracterise en ce qu' - on mesure la vitesse de rotation (n) du generateur, - on mesure le courant d'excitation (Ierr), - on fournit les valeurs mesurees a une installation de traitement, et - on determine le courant de sortie du generateur (Igen) a partir des va  1) Method for determining the output current (Igen) of a vehicle generator whose output voltage is regulated by a generator regulator, characterized in that - the rotation speed (n) of the generator is measured, - the excitation current (Ierr) is measured, - the values measured are supplied to a treatment installation, and - the generator output current (Igen) is determined from the values 0 leurs mesurees.0 their measurements. 2 ) Procede selon la revendication l, caracterise en ce qu'  2) Method according to claim l, characterized in that on mesure le courant d'excitation (I err) dans le regulateur du generateur.  the excitation current (I err) is measured in the generator regulator. 3 ) Procede selon l'une quelconque des revendications l ou 2,  3) Method according to any one of claims l or 2, caracterise en ce qu' on determine le courant de sortie (Igen) et/ou le couple de charge a partir  characterized in that the output current (Igen) and / or the load torque are determined from des courbes caracteristiques ou de tableaux enregistres dans le systeme.  characteristic curves or tables recorded in the system. 4 ) Procede selon la revendication l, caracterise en ce qu' en determinant le courant de sortie du generateur (Igen) on effectue une compensation des valeurs avec un courant de sortie reellement mesure  4) Method according to claim l, characterized in that by determining the output current of the generator (Igen) a compensation of the values is carried out with an output current actually measured (Igen) du generateur pour tenir compte de ltentrefer effectif (d).  (Igen) of the generator to take account of the effective air gap (d). ) Procede selon la revendication l, caracterise en ce qu' on determine la valeur de l'entrefer effectif (d) a partir des mesures faites sur le bane d'essai et on en tient compte pour determiner le courant de   ) Method according to claim 1, characterized in that the value of the effective air gap (d) is determined from the measurements made on the test tank and is taken into account to determine the current of sortie (Igen) ou le couple de charge.  output (Igen) or the load torque. 6 ) Dispositif pour determiner le courant de sortie (Igen) d'un generateur de vehicule dont la tension de sortie est regulee par un regulateur de ge 3s nerateur, caracterise par - une installation pour mesurer la vitesse de rotation du generateur (n), - une installation pour mesurer le courant d'excitation (Ierr), les valeurs mesurees etant transmises a une installation de traitement  6) Device for determining the output current (Igen) of a vehicle generator, the output voltage of which is regulated by a 3s generator generator regulator, characterized by - an installation for measuring the rotation speed of the generator (n), - an installation to measure the excitation current (Ierr), the measured values being transmitted to a processing installation qui determine le courant de sortie (Igen) du generateur a partir des va-  which determines the output current (Igen) of the generator from the values leurs mesurees.their measurements. s 7 ) Dispositif selon la revendication 6, caracterise en ce que ['installation pour mesurer le courant d' excitation (I err) fait p artie du re  s 7) Device according to claim 6, characterized in that the installation for measuring the excitation current (I err) is part of the re gulateur de generateur.generator regulator.
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