Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Darts

Multiple articles broken

I have just noticed that multiple darts articles are currently largely broken because of the maximum Lua time usable being exceeded. Examples are 2022 PDC World Darts Championship and 2024 PDC World Darts Championship. It's caused by an excessive presence of modules, specifically {{PDCFlag}}. This is something that needs to be resolved.Tvx1 00:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Transgender opinions

Noa Lynn van Leuven who is transgender recently won a Challenge Tour event (mixed gender) and a Women's Series event. Aileen de Graaf has apparently pulled out of a women's doubles event because she feels embarrassed. The source I have for this is the Daily Mail, which is not considered a reliable source. The same source says that Deta Hedman is against trans women competing in women's only events. Hedman & de Graaf's opinion on trans women would improve the articles. Are there reliable sources that give Hedman and de Graaf's opinion on trans women? (78.19.48.239 (talk) 18:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC))

Alternative source: https://www.express.co.uk/sport/othersport/1881329/Transgender-darts-statement-controversy-news — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.19.48.239 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Notability for players

Any chance we can decide on some initial parameters for notability for players? In terms of modern era I would be inclined to include any current/former PDC tour card holders, but would be interested to hear feedback on the following:

1. MODUS - Weekly winners IMO should be notable but probably not ADC qualifiers who have played their once or twice?
2. Challenge Tour - I dont think we can call every challenge player notable but perhaps those who have had significant success? One or more tournaments won?
3. Development Tour - As above?
4. WDF - Winners/repeated later stage appearances? Again we obviously cant have anyone who bothered to enter a WDF bronze event being a notable dart player! Bazzabloodybenson (talk) 13:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree that we should probably start defining some notability criteria. I note that there's a user currently nominating around 30 articles for PROD having nominated about 20 previous for AfD so I'd like to know what people think is notable and isn't, or if we should just defer to GNG and not have any specific darts notability criteria similar to NFOOTY. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 09:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

that user itskesha I was under the impression they had been banned from all darts articles after the fiascos of the 2022 and 2023 edit wars. Did their ban expire? In which case I think it is fair to report their new wage of stuff as intentional vengeance tour to stir up trouble. You don't get banned from an entire topic and then return to mass delete articles without some sort of bad intention. Dimspace. 86.163.231.189 (talk) 11:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hm. I'm not seeing any topic ban from darts in their history, so I think you may be under the wrong impression. I'm also inclined to assume good faith - one can disagree with the nominations without assuming the nominator is doing it with the sole intention of disruption/acting in bad faith. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 12:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

it was a result of the constant battles on the 2023 world championship pages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2023_PDC_World_Darts_Championship - this was the culmination of long running issues with itskesha. This was escalated to an admin discussion, but i'm damned if I can find the link to that discussion right now, but the proposal from multiple admin/editors in that talk was that u/itskesha be banned from darts articles (one regular darts contributor was also banned from wiki completely) Dimspace (talk) 13:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

this carried on into 2024.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2024_PDC_World_Darts_Championship it was during or just after the 2024 worlds it got escalated to admin discussion page (still cant find the darned link) Dimspace (talk) 13:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive358#Can_an_uninvolved_admin_please_step_in_over_toxicity_and_BATTLEGROUND_at_darts-related_pages%3F was the ANI discussion. Can't tell if there was any actual admin declaration though. 🇮🇪 TheChrisD {💬|✏️} 14:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

yeh, it seemed to end with @Nigej @Giantsnowman and @Tvx1 motioning for topic ban, but then the conversation just got archived out of the blue with no decision for some reason Dimspace (talk) 18:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

As for notability. My gut would be to go with the three appearances logic that some other sports like MMA have. 3 appearances in major ranking event. 3 challenge tour wins, 3 development tour wins. Finalist in WDF series event. I'm really not sure where I stand on Modus Super Series, my gut is that outside of monthly winners its not notable but that could be because i just dont pay much attention to it. Dimspace (talk) 13:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we should be creating criteria rather than using the standard WP:GNG; certainly I look at a few of the articles that have been PRODed/AFDed that are not dissimilar to

John Dartplayer (born whenever) is an English darts player. He won a Tour Card in 2016 and did nothing interesting with it.

and struggle to enunciate why they should be included. Far better to ensure we create articles about players that have coverage rather than waiting for them to hit a target we set ourselves. If the best we've got is a token link to Mastercaller or DartsDatabase to meet WP:PRODBLP, we probably can't justify them having an article. OZOO (t) (c) 14:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

i mean yes and no. An awful lot of sports have set defined notability criteria that stops any "interpretation" of notability and makes it black and white. Its not a discussion over individual cases that should or should not be notable, more about if a defined criteria should be in place Dimspace (talk) 18:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Layout for players

It would be great if we had some sort of consensus on when we should be using which templates for tournament finishes, which ones we should use, what order they go in etc etc :) Bazzabloodybenson (talk) 13:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)