User talk:WikiOriginal-9

No way

I swore NFL.com was removed and we're now with pfr for height and weight. Calais Campbell's page just came over. We can't argue without a link in the infobox. Am I dreaming this? Dozens are being changed to NFL.com. I admire the salmon! John. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured this would happen when NFL.com was removed. I think it should be changed back to what PFR has. Right now, it is completely unsourced. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Either we should go with what PFR has or NFL.com should be added back to the infobox. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if you like the guy, but I'll revert them all. Also, the pfr links are being added with a slash. I thought I saw you remove that in the past ... even though they link the same page. Any thought on the next step here? It won't end. Besides, it will help me decide the size of the next bottle I open, lol. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

You can go ahead and revert them if you like. Maybe a discussion should be had at WT:NFL. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

This discussion shit is getting stupid. People do what they want to do. This God damn link isn't even on the page. We need another person coming by and saying he's over 300 ****** pounds now? I'll check each page and see if there's a link. If the only weight is NFL.com, I'll leave it. I don't like going round in circles. I'll leave you alone now before I start to get upset with this. Catch you later on. John Bringingthewood (talk) 23:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean 100%. Getting consistency around here is near impossible sometimes. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I was just in the process of deleting this all from your messages. Edit conflict, lol. He came back on Campbell's page. There may be a dislike with pfr. Seems like everything is being used but that link. I believe an admin. proposed NFL.com being removed, and I agreed, the conversation should have escalated then I guess. I'm done with it, let it stay there. Try to enjoy your Sunday. :) John Bringingthewood (talk) 23:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Sunday? Lol :) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

HA! I did mean because it was coming soon, lol!! Yeah, I still have grasp of today ... not for long though. Bringingthewood (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

And enjoy the rest of today if you really want to. ;) Bringingthewood (talk) 23:25, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

lol ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Not familiar with Wikidata. Also not sure why that wasn't an option earlier. My computer is old, but I can view NBA.com on those pages. I always thought the broken NFL.com links were my fault. Bringingthewood (talk) 01:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

On the left side of the screen, each article has a "Wikidata item" link. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see Wikidata item. I just checked the Cap Boso page and they have the pfr link as B/ -- shame on them. No wonder we can never win a damn argument! Bringingthewood (talk) 02:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I think it works with the slash too. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

It does, but I did see you remove the B/ before, so I did it also. Hee. You must know by now it's not worth me living if I can't find a future argument with someone out there. P.S. I can let the B/ stay from now on, just say the word, lol. Bringingthewood (talk) 02:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Word. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

LOL! Enjoy the rest of your Friday, I mean Tues ... whatever. Until the next time. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 02:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood I don't patrol NFL pages that much, but I also assumed it was me that those NFL.com profiles showed almost nothing. LOL. You know what they say about ASS-U-ME.—Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba LOL! YEP, NEVER ASSUME! God bless the 'The Odd Couple' for trying to show me the light many moons ago! John. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

It's not just you. NFL.com sucks nowadays. Historical players still have profiles for some reason but all their stats are gone. NFL.com even used to show people who were are on the active roster but didn't play (which was a plus over PFR). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I am going to chime in here because I feel like I can have a good conversation with two great and respected editors in my book. The bracket on PFR links is needed at least in my history on here because I have noticed broken links if left out. [1] vs [2]. 1 has the bracket and works. The same goes if a PFR link is used in a table in my history. I do not know where NFL.com or PFR get their information in regard to player weights and heights, but I assume NFL.com has the more accurate data. I could be wrong as it is an assumption. I would also assume PFR pulls from official NFL sources as well and some information just has not been posted yet as we are still in the preseason. As always, if I need to change anything in regard to my edits, just give me a shout. Red Director (talk) 13:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment Red. There's a topic at WT:NFL with more details if you care to read that as well. Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Wording

Probably just forgetting, but where was it decided that this was the way NFL player leads were to be worded? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Archive_24#Proposal. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: While I agree the old lead was perfectly fine, here is my thought process for the new lead:

1. If you look at Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, or Wayne Gretzky, they all say "American former professional xxxxx player".

2. We don't want to have redundant leads like "is an American professional American football" or "is a Canadian professional Canadian football quarterback in the Canadian Football League".

3. Nationality actually matters in the CFL, and before there were tons of American players that said "is a Canadian football". Now, it's easier to tell if they're American or Canadian (or "Global").

4. Most of the people going to NFL player articles already know what type of football it is. "Football" is wiki-linked for the few who might be confused. (And if they're not American or Canadian, I've been putting "Nigerian professional American football") Templates like "Use American English" exist for a reason. We may as well use it.

5. Dirtlawyer1 used to do it the "new way" and he had good judgement about stuff.

6. That discussion was months ago and no one has said anything about Bagumba changing a bunch of leads on former players. No one said anything at Tom Brady.

7. It also lets us add "professional", which I think looks good in the leads of players. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:22, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Just wondering

Hi there. Just wanted to know if you were sending out some invitations or if it was in error. Lirim Hajrullahu the Kosovo guy got one with nine edits. I thought it was kind of strange. Sorry if I missed something here. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 01:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I invited him. It's not everyday a real player shows up lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm taking that as you're kidding, lol. No joke if they join. Do you have blocking powers down the road? Just saying, lol. That guy with the long name, (WiTSH), surprised me the other day, and I think he was surprised also that he received an invite. Well, football is coming. :) Bringingthewood (talk) 01:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

"WiTSH" edits NFL articles so I invited him. There aren't any requirements for joining WikiProjects. Anyone can join anything. Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I know and I hear you, that's what scares me, lol. I was thinking .. maybe someone can pretend to play quarterback for the Steelers. I guess I'm back to rooting for sacks! Have a good end to your weekend. (I do know it's Saturday.) @@ Bringingthewood (talk) 02:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks. I thought I strayed too far there. Not to be misunderstood, YOU didn't scare me .. it's the people that join on their own (at times). Should be invite only. I was honored to be asked, I never would have thought of it. The Steelers project doesn't count .. nobody seems to really want that, lol. Trust me, the day I invite someone .. they will remove U.S. from all the infoboxes. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

No problem, I knew that's what you meant, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank God. :) Bringingthewood (talk) 03:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)