User talk:Throughthemind

International Vegetarian Union

I have added the historical presidents of the International Vegetarian Union, let me know if you manage to find the presidents after Maxwell Lee in 1999. Psychologist Guy (talk) 19:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

The mastermind behind the creation of the IVU was Dr G. Danjou from Nice. He wrote this book [1]. There is a lot of information about him here but not his full first name and no birth or death dates [2]. If we can find his first name I believe he would qualify for an article. Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Nice! His first name was Georges based on this: " International Vegetarian Union owes its inception to a proposal made by Dr. GEORGES DANJOU, of Nice, at the Annual Meetings of the Vegetarian Society, in 1907" Throughthemind (talk) 13:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I've found a couple of sources about him (in French) [1][2] Throughthemind (talk) 13:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that is definitely him. The only source in English I have seen using his full name in connection with the IVU is [3]. It's possible that he may qualify for an article if a birth or death date is found as in total there are 5 or 6 references that mention him. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

This might be wrong but the only public birth document I could find online was Danjou, Georges Edouard Registration number: 897, Date of birth: 1877-08-12, Place of birth: Granville (Manche), Place of residence: Pierrefitte-en-Auge (Calvados) [4]. When searching for Georges Edouard Danjou there is virtually nothing else. The 1877 birth date sounds about right however. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Also brief mention of him here "Georges Danjou, at the International Congress on Physical Education in Paris in 1913, placed great emphasis on the moral mission assigned to physical exercise explaining that ‘the brain must be disciplined by the muscles, regulating action by control’ [5] Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Ignore the above birthdate. I have found his correct birthdate - GEORGES DANJOU, * Born June 17, 1862, in Limoux. Received Doctor in Paris, November 16, 1887. Currently a maritime health doctor at the Compagnie des Messageries maritimes [6] Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

He died in 1926 [7] Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

There's also a record of when he defended his thesis here which matches the birth date.[1] Throughthemind (talk) 15:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

It looks like his full name was François Jules Georges Danjou, based on this record.[1] Throughthemind (talk) 15:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Obituary with photograph here.[1] Throughthemind (talk) 15:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I've started an article: Georges Danjou Throughthemind (talk) 16:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your good work on this. It's a shame that he is forgotten about today. Even the IVU hardly mention him on their modern website. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Gottfried Johannes Müller (RIP: 1914-2009)

Might you be interested in *completing* an article about a truly magnificent vegetarian innovator, Gottfried Johannes Müller (RIP: 1914-2009), who (after his war career) founded a chain of vegetarian orphanages that extend internationally? From a vegetarian perspective, so much more could be said. His "claim to fame" is the report that he designed the Kurdish flag, but can that be documented? Gottfried Müller (philanthropist) MaynardClark (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

The Gottfried Müller article has already been deleted twice from Wikipedia, I remember reading the afd discussions. Your draft was also declined 4 times [8]. The page name was then changed to Gottfried Johannes Müller and that was also declined in draft [9]. After this you asked another user to create it [10]. The confusing thing here is that the wrong photograph was used in the drafts, it was a photograph of Gottfried Müller (politician). The politician is obviously not the philanthropist. More confusing the Gottfried Müller article is now a disambiguation page and the original afd discussions cannot be found. A scan through the internet shows only one reference that mentions him in detail [11] which happens to be the only source on his Wikipedia article. We also have an article for Salem International with hardly any sourcing. These are low-level traffic articles but if an admin was to look through the history of all this and the lack of reliable sources it may be deleted. I appreciate your attempts for many years to get an article created for this individual but not everyone involved with vegetarianism is notable. If the Gottfried Müller (philanthropist) article was taken to a current afd it would likely be deleted. There is no point in creating poorly sourced articles that risk deletion. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Book by first wife, Suzanne Müller Firgau - Benjamins-Bilderbuch-Susanne-Muller-Firgau-345113327X/plp Müller-Firgau, Susanne. Benjamins Bilderbuch. 1986/ Published by Herder, Freiburg, Basel, Wien

References

MaynardClark (talk) 06:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Animals' Friend Society

An article would qualify for the Animals' Friend Society, it was formed by Lewis Gompertz originally but revived many years later by Ernest Bell and others. See my recent edits at Cats Protection which was originally part of the Animals' Friend Society. Mrs Avery was the first Honorary Secretary. I would be interested to find her full name. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

George Watson MacGregor-Reid

You might be interested in George Watson MacGregor-Reid, his vegetarianism is not mentioned on his article currently. There is an overview here [12]. No birth of death dates have been added. Psychologist Guy (talk) 02:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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Health Science

Might you have an interest in developing an article about the ANHS publication, 'Health Science'? Several individuals have asked me about that, but I don't feel up to providing additional research into it (though I already have some text on it). I would want the article to reflect objectivity and fairness in what is said about the publishing organization and the 'house organ' itself (and its subscribership).

The organization which publishes Health Science is the National Health Association (NHA). This association, previously known as the American Natural Hygiene Society (ANHS) (formerly in Tampa, Florida, has been integral in promoting the Natural Hygiene health philosophy. The NHA continues to publish Health Science, a journal that covers topics related to health, nutrition, and wellness, particularly in alignment with principles of natural hygiene. This publication, along with other resources, aims to support a health-focused lifestyle, emphasizing plant-based diets, fasting, and holistic living.

The NHA is based in Youngstown, Ohio, and has continued to serve as a key advocate for the health principles established by figures like Dr. Herbert Shelton, who was pivotal in the Natural Hygiene Movement. The publication Health Science remains a central resource for those interested in these health approaches​

The official NHA website shows further details for Health Science. MaynardClark (talk) 18:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Improvements on the "animals" section in the philosophical pessimism article

Hi, Throughthemind! I hope you are doing okay.

Could you possibly spare some time to help us on the "animals" section in the "philosophical pessimism" article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_pessimism#Animals)?

It seems to me that this subsection is currently too long, and we do not have much text in it concerning specifically pessimistic philosophers who addressed this topic (as Dawkins, Darwin and Becker are not philosophers in the strict sense of the word, and I want to avoid "original research"). If possible, could you help us with that section or give us suggestions on how to improve it? My goal is to eventually (re)nominate the "philosophical pessimism" article as a "good article".

Or do you think that, perhaps, the section is already "fine" the way it is -- such that it complies with the GA criteria?

Edit: I have updated the page.

Current state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_pessimism#Animals

Past state: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philosophical_pessimism&oldid=1259103335#Animals

Which one do you think is better?

Thank you for your attention! Alice793 (talk) 14:11, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I've updated the article. It might be good to get some more views from philosophers of pessimism in the "animals" section. Throughthemind (talk) 16:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits, Throughthemind!

Which additional philosophers do you think could/should be added? Do you believe that Peter Singer or David Pearce should be mentioned? If not, why?

And regarding the change of "wildlife antinatalism" to "sentiocentric antinatalism", I think we should try to reduce jargon as much as possible as one of the GA criteria is to make technical articles understandable to a broad audience. Alice793 (talk) 18:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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