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Thanks for the welcome. I'm sure I will make some contributions from time to time when inspiration comes over me. :) Nidator 11:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Kingdom of Iceland

Hi Nidator

Unfortunately, I know very little about the relationship between Denmark and Iceland, but I'll try to see if I can find something interesting in "Dansk Undenrigspolitiks Historie" vol.s 3 and 4. Unfortunately, it will have to wait a few days as I'm somewhat strapped for time at the moment. Valentinian ^{T / C} 20:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have replied on your talk page. -- Nidator 18:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms of Denmark

Hi Nidator. Thanks for your message. The coat of arms on Adresseavisen was a type very often used in the 18th century. I believe it is referred to in Danish as a "Kabinetsvåben" since it was often used by the government administration. After the breakup of the union, Denmark used a similar arms also with three fields, in this case showing Denmark's three lions in the top half of the image and the lower half being divided between the arms of Schleswig and Holstein. Unfortunately, Adresseavisen's logo looks like a modern drawing, so I don't think we can't use this exact image. However, it should be possible to find a similar coat of arms on coins or public buildings from the 1700s or earlier. E.g. this arms features on a medal struck around 1721 celebrating the end of the Great Northern War. If you know of any good examples, I would be very interested to see them. Happy editing. Valentinian ^{T / C} 20:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have replied on your talk page. -- Nidator 21:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that the paper still uses (almost) the same drawing. I'll try to see if I can extract the graphic from the page. We have somewhat the same situation in Denmark where da:Weekendavisen, a spinoff of da:Berlingske Tidende, still uses Berlingske Tidende's original logo containing the arms of Denmark, Norway, Schleswig and Holstein (see the Danish article on Berlingske Tidende). The version using the arms of DK, N and S was more common, though, and the reason why the three crowns were included was that Denmark-Norway fought a war with Sweden over the issue during the time of Eric XIV of Sweden. Eric demanded that frederick II should remove the three crowns, but king Frederick refused, arguing that the three crowns was merely a sentimental reference to the former union. The conflict escalated, as Eric added the arms of both Norway and Denmark to his own coat of arms as retaliation, see: Image:Erik XIVs vapensköld, Nordisk familjebok.png. If I remember correctly, one of the two countries sawed off the offending part of the opponent's coat of arms from a ship docked in port, giving an outcry when the ship returned home. Denmark and Norway won the war, and one of the very meagre results was that the three crowns stayed, while Eric XIV had to remove the Danish and Norwegian from his arms. In return, Frederick II pledged to not refer to the three crowns as a symbol of Sweden but merely of the old Kalmar union. I don't think it fooled anybody, though. The three crowns still remain in the arms of the Danish royal family (lower left quarter).Valentinian ^{T / C} 22:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have replied on your talk page. -- Nidator 00:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rigsfællesskabet

Hi Nidator

I've never come across any standard term. I've seen the phrase "Danish Commonwealth" a few places, but a commonwealth is normally a republic so I don't like that one. "Community of the Realm" won't do either. However, it looks like the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs uses the "United Kingdom of Denmark" [1] so that would be my best suggestion. I agree, we should have an article about this odd construction. Happy editing. Valentinian ^{T / C} 11:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have replied on your talk page. -- Nidator 11:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Noregsveldet / Norgesveldet is a pain as well. "Rigsfællesskabet" might be the way to go. It can always be moved later if anybody finds a great name. I checked Gyldendals Røde Ordbøger yesterday and they were no help. da:Rigsfællesskabet has enough material for a short article. Btw, I haven't forgot about the image from the Trondheim newspaper, I've just been a bit stapped for time the last week. Valentinian ^{T / C} 12:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, we can't make this a job. ;) I have replied on your talk page. -- Nidator 13:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Coat of arms of Norway

Hi Nidator

You might find this image interesting. I've not edited the relevant article, as I'm not sure if this image corresponds sufficiently to the contemporary depictions used in Norway. I presume the image with the shield being surrounded by the royal robe was reserved for the royal family? Btw, do you know when the tiny lion was removed from the crown? Valentinian ^{T / C} 22:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those are good questions and I have done some digging. As you obviously know, that is the coat of arms (riksvåpenet) as used between 1905 and 1937. I was only able to find a copy of the royal resolution of 14. December 1905 on a private homepage ([2]). It includes an illustration. which is presumably the original one that came with the resolution. The drawing you link to is not an exact fit. I also found a Dutch heraldry website which lists a Lars Roede at the Norwegian Museum of Cultural History as the source of a poorer scan of the same drawing ([3]). It includes his e-mail address, so, if he is still with the museum, you could just drop him a couple of lines. The 1905 resolution includes the tiny lion on the crown, while the 1937 resolution ([4]) does not. Here are a couple of informative pages from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs: [5][6]. I have not been able to find any laws or regulations dealing with the royal coat of arms (kongevåpenet), or its use, but the royal resolution of 19. March 1937 includes the following:

"Alle teikningar til riksvåpnet til bruk for offentlege institusjonar må bli godkjende av Utanriksdepartementet, so framt dei ikkje er eller blir fastsett av Kongen."

This would at least seem to open for the palace to continue with the 1905 version of the Norwegian lion. The drawing of the royal coat of arms on the Coat of arms of Norway article looks very faithful to the version on the 1906 Riksbanner ([7], also take a look at this: [8]). The palace now uses a slightly different version though ([9]). The robe has been narrowed and the tiny lion on the crown has been removed. I'm not sure when the change took place. There is a colour image of a sewed version of this current royal coat of arms in a German language book I have called Königliche Paläste. I hope this was of help. By the way, did you add the 1733 coat of arms? It is quite attractive, and unusual to see on its own like that. -- Nidator 14:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. I seem to have a little reading to do now. I'm not responsible for the 18th century image, but it was uploaded by User:Roede so we might have a match for the person you spoke of. In fact, I know a few places in Denmark where such a symbol is located; #1 is the ceiling of a hall known as Rentesalen in the Danish Ministry of Finance, whose building dates from the reign of Frederick IV when it was known as Rentekammeret. Next time I visit Copenhagen, I'll take snaps of the ceiling of a chamber in Rosenborg Castle that shows 12 different symbols from the royal arms: Norway is naturally included, and I believe that seeing the different symbols in the royal arms located next to each other, isn't that unusual. You can see the same on the coronation sword [10] and on the image from Trinitatis Kirke, shown on coat of arms of Denmark. Valentinian ^{T / C} 20:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hah, I hadn't noticed the similar names. What a coincident. Perhaps you can make a post on his talk page and ask if it is the same person? That is very interesting about the Norwegian coat of arms on its own during the Denmark-Norway period. -- Nidator 23:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question about the Faroe Islands

When is the nest election?--Lionheart Omega 01:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the next Løgting election is going to be held on 19. January 2008 ([11]). -- Nidator 12:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is confirmation.[12] -- Nidator ^{T / C} 17:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Norse heraldry from Greenland

Since you're interested in both heraldry and Norse Greenland, you might be interested in http://runeberg.org/gronland/3/0917.html (illustration at http://runeberg.org/gronland/3/0973.html ). Valentinian ^{T / C} 19:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC) (crossposted from my own talk page)[reply]

Yes, that is fascinating, although it took me some time to match the descriptions to the correct illustration. If we had an article about the Roman Catholic bishops of Greenland, which I don't think should be too difficult to create, then this could form the basis of a very interesting section. It struck me the other day how odd it is for us to communicate in English when we could just use our own languages. I guess we have to since this is the English language Wikipedia though. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 22:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish Islands project

I thought from your past edits, you might be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands - come on over and have a look. --MacRusgail 15:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is absolutely of interest. I have signed up. :) -- Nidator ^{T / C} 16:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great & Welcome! I have recently been trying to tag the articles of Norse/Scandinavian interest. I have been trying to develop the articles on the national literature of Shetland, and the sagas too. All the best --MacRusgail 17:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am considering making an article about the treaties between the king of Norway and the king of Scotland where Orkney and Shetland were "pawned". I'm looking for a couple of more sources first though. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 17:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a great idea... basically this was annexation by Scotland, and I don't think Orkney and Shetland have forgotten that. Not a nice business. There is also an article on Udal law, which is woefully short - you might know something about Odalsrett (spelling?). We definitely need more stuff from a Scandinavian perspective. Scottish history, for a long time, has tended to be written from an English viewpoint, which hides the fact that Scotland had major dealings with Scandinavia, Germany, France and the Netherlands for centuries. --MacRusgail 19:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC) p.s. I decided to join the Faroese wikiproject, which I found out about through your page.[reply]

I have gotten hold of the texts for both the treaties, from 1468 and 1469, where Orkney and Shetland respectively are "pawned", but I 'm going to do a little more digging into the subject before I create the article. I know how modern Odelsrett works in Norway, but I'm afraid I have not read much about its history throughout the Norse area. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 21:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Questions

Hi! I'm trying to find two bits of information on the Faroe Islands, and you seemed to be the only active member of the Faroe Islands WP, so I hope you can help me... Thanks, either way! The questions are:

What's this about a new party contesting the elections in January? I haven't been able to find any English info on it, but it appears that some party called Miðnámsflokkurin will be contesting the elections...?[13] What's their platform and likely support? Separatist or unionist?
How strong is separatist sentiment on the islands currently? AFAIK, they tried to split for real around 2001, but when Denmark made it clear that they wouldn't continue to get lots of money and subsidies, they decided to delay it...?

Thanks for your help! —Nightstallion 00:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to this it seems to be a party for young students, intended to work for their interests. The article says that it does not have a position on secession or a political ideology. It has, indeed, attained enough signatures to stand in the elections. Haukur (talk) 14:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is a real shame if I'm the only active user in the Faroes WP, as I'm not even from the islands. I'm afraid I haven't been able to find out any more than Haukur, less in fact. To run in the elections they had to submit a list of signatures before 15 December of last year and get at least 800 of them approved. They managed to collect over 1,000 signatures, submitted them on 14 December and got 809 of them approved. They will use the letter "L" as their short name.[14][15] I don't know what their position on independence is, if they even have one. I'll do some more digging and also try to find an opinion poll on independence. I think the Faroese hope that oil revenues will end the dependence on Danish subsidies. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 16:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a related poll: [16] The question asked is how much financial support the islands should receive from Denmark; 8% say that it should be increased and 34% say that it should remain the same. This is unionist sentiment. 33% say it should be reduced, that's a moderate separatist sentiment; 17% say that a date certain should be set for eliminating it completely, that's the hard-core secessionist answer. Haukur (talk) 16:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What does the new party's name mean when translated into English? Could one of you write up a short article on them? I'd do it myself, but I'm fairly certain the two of you could do a much better job than I... Thanks a lot! —Nightstallion 16:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something like "The High School Party". I'm not really comfortable writing an article at this point, they don't even have a homepage yet.

I assume you're following events in Greenland? In his New Year speech, Hans Enoksen set 25. november 2008 as a date for a referendum on independence. You can watch the speech here: [17] Haukur (talk) 16:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Transcript here: [18] You can flip between the original and the Danish translation with the buttons up in the right corner. Haukur (talk) 16:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think perhaps we should wait until the webpage is up as well. That is interesting about Greenland. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 17:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh? No, I had totally missed that... Great news! :) Please feel free to add info to Greenlandic independence referendum, 2008. —Nightstallion 18:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flags

Hi there! About the flags, I read somewhere from other users that for some reason flags are not allowed, I don't really see any problem with it, so you can revert the edit if you wish. (Trip Johnson (talk) 17:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

I have replied on your talkpage. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 17:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see you found a good solution. However, I thought I'd point out, that the flag you have for France is their plain white naval ensign, not the Fleur de Lys. If you want a Fleur de Lys, theres some here: French & Indian War

You want this one http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pavillon_royal_de_France.svg (Trip Johnson (talk) 20:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

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It is a very interesting subject, but not one I'm very knowledgeable about sadly. My contributions are mostly in Scandinavian/European history, military and transport, although prehistory can be even more interesting then history. I see that we are both live in Trøndelag, by thew way. I should probably update my user page. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 12:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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