User talk:Khoikhoi/Archive 17

User:Eddl

Thanks for your help Eddl 08:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

User:QWL

greek wrting: this page not need greek writng. and Thessaloniki link. turkish language version can take out. its in greece. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qwl (talk • contribs) 19:14, 8 October 2006.

Gorani (language)/Well...

Actualy the pov rename is approporate as per naming conventions. We avoid unnecesaryly spesific info in ( )'s unless absolutely necesary. --Cat out 01:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

There's a big controversy over the Altaic languages, but most articles link to that page, not the Altaic hypothesis article... :-/ —Khoikhoi 02:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not believe that contravercy is anyway related to the "Gorani" page. --Cat out 02:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I never said it was, I was merely giving an example. —Khoikhoi 02:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah I see. Care to elaborate? I am not certain what I am looking for. :) --Cat out 09:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Not really (it's 2:38 AM over here). ;-) Kolay gelsin. —Khoikhoi 09:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Sleep is a poor substitute to cafeine.... :P --Cat out 09:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

hi again

Hi khoikhoi. it is me again. I just wanted to say "You see...". You are a nice and quite unbiased person. But still I dont think you have read my articles. Don get me wrong I am not blaming you of anything. These things are really really huge and I totally understand you have no time. And besides of course you are in no way obliged to read or whatever. I just want to say that "even you as a politically correct person do not really listen to us. Still you are pretty sure about genocide issue". This is the very same story that goes on for 100 years.

see what Sultan Mohammed Vl te told the American writer E. Alexander Powell in 1922:

“If we sent one, your newspapers and periodicals would not publish an article written by a Turk, if they published it, your people would not read it, if they read it, they would not believe it. Even if we sent a qualified person to America, to convey to you in your language, the Turkish point of view, would he find an impartial audience?”

I repeat again I dont want to push or blame you for anything. Dont get me wrong ok. I am just portraying our situation... think about the rest of the community who are much less tolerant and open compared to you. who will invest time to see what Turks say? neurobio 02:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I have seen your several edits regarding Israel and Judaism related issues. Thats why I think that way. its ok if you think this is genocide. I will not try to tell you all the story again. I just want to remind you there are also many historians who say this is not genocide. And also keep in mind that Standford Shaws house was burned (by asala), Bernad lewis was convicded and humiliated and Gilles Veinstein got death treath so many times. All these historians had to remain silent later on. How many historians in respected universities deny Holocaust? All these historians that you mention are genocide scolars most of them not publishing any thing except this issue and almost none can speak Ottoman Turkish. almos all of them are not from middle east or Ottoman related chairs. So all I want you to see for now is this is no way comparable to Holocoust. It has risen out of a teritorial conflict. and both sides had an army weaker or stonger. we are not saying they made up everything we just say they do not mention they had an army, they do not mention they rebelled, they do not mention they also killed thousands of Turks. So the story being told one sided It sure looks like a genocide. And in Holocaust there is a trial and endless documents from German archive. Here There is no international trial and there is not a single document from Ottoman archives that say kill armenians. I know two armenian figures opposing genocide only one of them is a researcher not historian though. neurobio 03:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, I appologize, I had some time to kill so I'll answer this funny piece above. Neuro is suggesting that a Germanic chair of history founded by Germany would be the ultimate authoritative field in the evantuality of a Germany denying the Holocaust. He has also yet to understand that genocide studies is a multidisciplinary field, always has been, always will be, the trash talk about those are 'genocide scholars'..., as if Hilberg was ever really known beyond his Holocaust studies, or Buer in his comparative genocide studies. Also, I didn't knew that Armenians had an army, when the short lived republic of Armenia of late 1918 had an army that could hardly reach 50,000 solders, not to say that it was even not able to resist Ottoman invasion of 'Russian Armenia', supposedly baked antity of the Transcaucasian republic, which lost Olti, Ardahan, Kars not to say the peripherial zones against the Turks who've sent barely few contigent at first to realise that Armenians weren't even able to keep what is outside Ottoman frontiers. Not to say that Neurobio has yet to provide any instances where Armenians have resisted to their deportation ANYWHERE in the entire Ottoman empire, they were allegedly army but yet each issued order for deportation was placed in application and respected the schedules even according to the archives released by the Turkish government prime minister directorate internal archives. So armed the Armenians are that the Fadixian paradox has ever yet to be resolved. Isen't it amazing that everywhere where Armenians are said to have exterminated, massacred Turks, it is the Armenians who have vanished.

As for the endless records from German archives, maybe Neuro could talk more about it, as the list of concentration camps is the only element of its kind in history as what could get closer to what Himmler coudn't get burned, when they've destroyed countless numbers of records before the allies could enter Berlin. Neuro is of course ignorant, that it defies the purpouses of genocide for its mastermind to sign anything without taking any careful measured that it would be found. As the German official in the Ottoman reported regdring the Ottoman secret meatings involving the branch responsable of the destruction of the Armenians. Anything had to be read in place, no paper records had to be left, the message taken, the paper burned. I find it laughable that some ignoramus who haven't taken the time to read beyond what some trash-talk sites could offer to read about the subject they're trying to discuss about. Well..., here was the time I had to kill. Regards. Fad (ix) 23:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course many Turks have died, over a million won't be an exaggeration at all, but numbers of death alone doesn't mean genocide. Enver sent his army to freeze, unprepared, soon during the war against the Russians to satisfy his own ego as being the one uniting Turkdom. He then emptied Anatolia of the Armenians, who were feeding the entire East, being the agricultors, the importers of goods, keepers of shops etc., the east literaly starved afterward. Also, if we consider per population, the ratio of Armenians who died, there is a clear disproportion, over a million have died for a population reaching 2 million, most Armenians have died from 1915 to 1916, while most Muslims died afterward. Both casulties have little to do if anything to do with eachothers, as Muslims died in great numbers after Anatolia was emptied from its Armenian population. As much if not more Germans died in WWII than Jews, what makes the Jewish cases as different is not more the number of killed (this is important for the extend of the tragedy, but it would have been a genocide if only 1 million would have died insteed, since 1 million is still a great number). The Jews were isolated, alienated from the rest of the population and targetted, while Germans were dying basically of war condition, from causes not discriminating one German against the other other than maybe the allied bombing etc.

As for the killing of Turks, this literaly defy logic, the majority Muslim population in where Armenians were living, beside maybe Erzerum, were Kurds and other minorities, and the stories of massacres were mostly from elderly Turks, and in various cases from immigrants who were expulsed by the Russians and moved by the Ottoman in Armenian quarters. Those stories are simply bogus, thos people were given Armenian properties, and we expect them to say:Armenians were killed and we took their house, when the crimes reported having been done against the Turks could not have been known from imigrants that when they arrived there, there was pratically no Armenians left in Anatolia. It is to the Kurds that one must request answers, they were those living with the Armenians before Tartars. Just to open a parantheses, many probably ignore that Taner Akçam families were Azeris Tartars, and he knows pretty well those stories and accept them.

Genocide deniers do exist, this is normal, those who question will always exist, if they were to not exist, I believe there would be a problem, even in science there are scientists who reject the majority view, there is a natural selection of idea's, idea's, positions evolved and will evolve. What is the point here is that there is only one famous historian who denies the Armenian genocide and it is Lewis, there are no other well known historian that I am aware of who denies it, and Lewis was recognizing it, he even called it 'Armenian Holocaust', that was before the foundation of the so-called Ottoman chairs of historys and their funding through grants such as ITS and ARIT in his own Middle Eastern departement. The other historians are second grade, McCarthy being the most vocal of them. I have yet to see anyone with the posture of Gilbert claiming that there was no genocide.

If by number of Turks killed you mean by Armenians, I don't know the exact number, but Bertkay place the highest estimate to 10,000, the Armenians weren't able to prevent deportation from anywhere in the entire zones where the order was issued, had they been armed and prepared enought to kill anywhere more than 10,000, we can hardly imagine how Armenians could have even lost pieced of Russian Armenia which were taken by the Turks and this without any resistance. Fad (ix) 16:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The Bat!

I have added the references to The Bat! page to let it not look full of wheasel words. Could you please take a look to The Bat! page and let me know whether it is now OK, editing the page if necessary? Thank you very much!!! --20:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing troublesome statement "A number of Internet service providers, sites and organisations...". But I don't have a reliable source for this, since the publisher of The Bat! Ritlabs is getting many emails and phone calls with complains either that "The Bat! is a spamming tool" or "my e-mail messages from The Bat! are being blocked by my Internet service provider because they think that The Bat! is a spamming tool". All these e-mails are private. But there is a public discussion in a forum: http://www.oreillynet.com/databases/blog/2003/05/the_bat.html , and there is a sentence: "I always thought that The Bat was a popular MUA among spammers. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen it in several header_reject lookup tables at a few different sites". That's all that we have. How can we give the source for the statement "A number of Internet service providers, sites and organisations...". ? Thank you in advance!!!! --23:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)~

There is also a page http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html which reiterates the problem of "The Bat! and The Spammer", but it is "sponsored" by the publisher of The Bat! software. --Maxim Masiutin

The section about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bat%21#Forged_headers did exist at Wikipedia before I've started my contributions to Wikipedia. But it was somewhat outdated. I've asked Marck Pearlstone, the author of the text at http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html to update the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bat%21#Forged_headers headers, and he did directly edit the text at Wikipedia. The page http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html contains the following copyright statement "Copyright © 1995-2002 RITLABS. All rights reserved.". Do you need a fax from RITLABS with the permission to use this information at Wikipedia? My English skills are not so good to rewrite it in my own words. Could you please rewrite it by yourself, shortening it and probably giving the link to http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/spammer.html ? --Maxim Masiutin 09:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for you prompt help, but there is still template present, how can we get rid of it? :-) --Maxim Masiutin 10:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --Maxim Masiutin 10:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Armenia

Now will you consider joining WikiProject Armenia? You joined WikiProject Turkey. -- Clevelander 22:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Rv

hi khoikhoi I have added the name Jeremy Salt to Denial section in Armenian genocide article. He is the writer of one of the Articles that I have sent to you. So it is fully sourced. but it is reverted in an instant by clevelander can you revert it for me please. I will violate 3RR if I do it.neurobio 22:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Shabaks

Hey there khoikhoi, yes I just like all of people of Northern Iraq are aware of Shabaks. One thing to keep in mind about them, while their blood is of Persian descent, their tradition is strongly arab infuenced. That is why only shabaks in the villages know how to speak there original language. They along with the Yezidis and Assyrians of the same area are pushing really hard for some kind of autonomy in these two counties [[1]] where the 3 make up approx 90% of the population. They are known for being VERY anti Kurdish. So anti-kurdish up to a point where they have infuenced the Yezidis of the region about there views on kurds as well (if you go to a yezidi village today in iraq, they will tell you they dont consider themselves kurdish, and shabaks had some role in the development of this view.) Shabaks are really hating the fact that Kurdish infuence is getting bigger and bigger in there area. The 3 groups are basically united in terms of politics. Here is an article written by a shabak; [[2]]. Interesting story a couple months ago; [[3]]. Chaldean 01:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Rumi

Love the rumi quote man, Im gonna steal it from ya :) --Gregorof 07:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I just sent you an e-mail, please check it. --Mardavich 14:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Viszont szia!

It may be true, because I have also heard about a village in Turkey, which is mainly populated by descendants of Hungarian people - there was a TV-show about it on the "Duna TV". Öcsi 09:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Now I've found it. Yes, it's the same guy whom I saw on the Duna TV (he comes from Csíkszereda). He went to that village in Turkey and talked with the inhabitants - they are all claiming that they are descendants of hungarians and that "this ground is hungarian". Öcsi 09:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

No. Öcsi 09:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks from StuffOfInterest

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which finished with a tally of 52/6/1 (~90%). It was an interesting process which gave me a chance to learn a bit about myself and about the community. My intention now is to slowly ease into using those additional buttons on my page. No use being over eager and mucking up the works. The support of all those who went over my record and/or rallied to my defense after the big oppose vote was instumental to the success of this review. Again, thank you! --StuffOfInterest 12:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Snle

Cool! I will only add Unsigned tags after his contributions, so we can keep track of him. In the meantime, I will try not to engage in any direct exchange. Thanks for taking care of this.--Niohe 00:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

OK! I'll let you take care of it. --Niohe 00:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Got it. I might go back and edit my Unsigned tags, after all. Apparently, I made some mistake. Hope you don't mind...--Niohe 00:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I will add tags where appropriate, so we can follow his movements, but beyond that I'll do my best not to engage with him. --Niohe 00:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Khoikhoi, thanks for alerting me to the User Talk page. I was not aware of it or how to use it. Cosal 01:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I must admit I am still not very clear in my mind about when to use the Discvussuion page, the User page, or the User Talk page. I will need to dig deeper into the WIKI rules, practices and conventions, I guess. Cosal 01:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Mop?

Hi there! I've noticed your extensive and competent contributions to diverse areas of Wikipedia. As such I was wondering if you were interested in a nomination for adminship. Yours, >Radiant< 12:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

(removed edits by banned user Bonaparte —Khoikhoi 17:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• I am unaware of the background and circumstances surrounding these blocks, but judging from the log he had a couple of 3RR violations half a year ago, which is unfortunate but not damning, and was accidentally blocked by Curps's antiWillybot, which was quickly undone. Please do enlighten me if there's controversy surrounding Khoikhoi. >Radiant< 13:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • As far as I'm aware, the January blocks were all from a time when Khoikhoi was still quite new, and when he was the victim of an intense harassment campaign by now banned User:-Inanna-, who is quite probably also the anonymous mudslinger above. I think almost all the reverting was done in that context. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Ah, Bonny, not Inanna, was it? You sure have a better nose for their different smells than I have ;-) Περαστικά σου... Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Another Snle sock-puppet?

I just wanted to alert you to the fact that User:Manzhouri has reverted your deletions of User:13569. I am not engaging with him in any way yet.--Niohe 17:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Antalya

I have rv the article. I know that permabanned users' edits must always be deleted and u were right in reverting before. but now i added it and i am not permabanned (not even once blocked:)...). Cheers Hectorian 17:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Check your email. Hectorian 17:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Do not take out sourced info

Do not take out sourced sections please. That section is a summary leading to a main article. It has everything to do with both the Azerbaijan page and the ADR page.Khosrow II 03:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Its directly related to both, thats why.Khosrow II 04:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

ADR was the beinging of what is today the R. of Azerbaijan.Khosrow II 04:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Its relevant. If GM wants to argue its not, then it will be clearly POV, because afterall, its the ADR, the nation founded in 1918, and the begining of the use of the term Azerbaijan to refer to the caucasus.Khosrow II 04:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

List of massacres

Hi Khoikhoi,

+{{verylong}}

I agree; in addition to going ahead with the suggestions here, do you think splitting the article between the current sections 2 and 3 to make List of massacres (to 1500) and List of massacres (1500 to date) (or the like) might be a solution...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 05:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

That sound like a good idea to me... I appreciate your work on the article by the way...

Thanks for your support!  I'm looking to resume work on it again soon... Best wishes, David (talk) 06:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Northern Epirus

I fixed the dubious edits. There is much info in Northern Epirus. These two districts are exactly next to the borders with Greece, where the vast majority of the Greeks in Albania live. For now i would like to see sources by Prespari for the opposite (since this was the edit he reverted). then, or meanwhile, i may supply sources as well. Cheers!:) Hectorian 07:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... how should i call this edit? Hectorian 08:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

RfB With A Smile :)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA!

Atlant 12:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's been a week now that I've been an administrator and I'd like to take this moment to once again thank everyone who supported my RfA, and to let you all know that I don't think I've screwed anything up yet so I hope I'm living up to everyone's expectations for me. But if I ever fall short of those expectations, I'd certainly welcome folks telling me about it!

Atlant 14:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Meskh

Khoi what’s up? Sure, its up to you. Which other Meskh do you mean? There are Turk Meskhetians who were inhabited by Ottomans in the region of Meskhetia after they cleansed local population of Meskhetians. They were later in 20 c deported by Stalin due to their collaboration with Nazis and Turkish threat. Ldingley 13:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit Wars

Hi Khoikhoi. I'm consulting to you cause you know almost all wikipedians. The users Murat Akalp, Tekleni, Aristovoul0s, Hectorian and myself (only for the TRNC) involved in a debate. I want you to compromise cause i do not know these people. I hate edit wars, but i confronted accidentally with the deletion proposal of Turkish Republic of Western Thrace and then warned 'Alex Bakharev, the most objective and helpful wikipedian', to put an end to the edit wars. However, i checked these users' edit histories and found out that there are systematic edits against turks/turkey related articles. I actually signed in wikipedia to contribute on physics and progressive rock related articles but i often confront with edit wars against turks/turkey related articles (i'm just observing what's going on, trying not to be involved in). Unfortunately, there is obvious attacks on turks/turkey related articles and i do not understand why these attackers do not use the talk/discussion pages to end the conflicts. Luckily for the last edit war Alex helped, but i do not want to take his time too much. I'm asking to you cause you're also interested in turks/turkey related articles. What should we do in order to end these kind of awkward edit wars? Apologizing for your pains, E104421 19:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikinews welcome

{{subst:wikinews:template:hello}} (Too lazy to copy and paste. (plus i'm in lynx right now and don't know how to) I'm assuming by the length of your talk page, you know what i mean by that). If you don't have a clue what I'm talking about, please be advised that someone created an account on wikinews with your name, and pointed it here. Happy editing - user:Bawolff/wikinews:user:Bawolff (note i'm not loogged in, but i'm actually me) 02:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA

Its.... you. - Francis Tyers · 08:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For lack of a better Barnstar, I award this to both Ground Zero and Khoikhoi for their wonderful efforts in introducing me to Wikipedia on both the Western Alienation and the Bergama articles, my first major contributions. I will forever respect both of you for your professionalism and kindness, and will follow your leads in all my Wikipedia edits. Thanks again for showing me that Wikipedia is, in fact, a noble cause.

Imbros

Please check atricle for last contribution, and put your oppinions on talk page. Regards Mustafa Akalp 17:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't...

...g-mail have that bell thingy? •NikoSilver• 20:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It does, but you have to switch it on.--Tekleni 20:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, please check your e-mail. --Mardavich 21:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandal...

Blurb sock (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is Khoikhoi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Mt. Ararat again

Hey, K. Please check the Greek letters in the first sentence of the article. Someone tried to change it, but it came out unreadable characters, so I reverted it.

Also: There is a translation into Hebrew. OK so far. Then, why do we also need the "Tiberian Hebrew"? I'm Jewish, and I never even heard of it. I just read the Tiberian Hebrew article, and I can't believe that the translation of Ararat into these characters (that look suspicious to me anyhow) is of any importance. I suggest deleting the reference to "Tiberian Hebrew". -- Ssilvers 21:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

New Snle sock puppet

For your information, I have just identified a possible sock puppet of Snle, and I posted a check user request.--Niohe 21:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I think semi-protecting is the way to go, this guy is just not going to give it up. I'll go ahead and do it, if you don't mind.--Niohe 03:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Forgive me if I appear ignorant, but I have entered sprotected into two of the pages already and it seemed to work.--Niohe 03:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, got it. Semi-protecting doesn't seem to be super-urgent right now, but I will request it if I see any movement in the next day or so.--Niohe 03:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I know, but I think we should protect both. After he made his comments on the talk pages, he did start to play around with fonts to test the ground, which I reverted.--Niohe 03:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, I think we should request that that the talk pages be protected. After all that where he spewed most of his BS... Can you do it? I have to run.--Niohe 03:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Einstein

Sorry but Einstein was a swiss- american Physicer. Read the german Wikipedia article. He has had the swiss and the american nationality. So please don't change the article again. --Paul von Gunten

Help with vandalic Iranian censorship

dab, can you please help against removal of contents and references being censored out by Iranian supermacists Ali doostzadeh, Khosrow II and others of their pack? Their main deceptive pretense is that they erase information and references because the references are not in English. Would you please post a note for them on their pages that "only English" is not a WP rule, and they can't pretend to enforce it, and use it as an excuse for removal of contents from public scrutiny. Your help may stop this stupid rv war. BTW, in their incessant chauvinistic "editing", they managed to wipe out anything related to archeology, and that is from an article specifically dedicated to "project archeology". Please see Talk:Kurgan

PS. I see that other members also appeal to you about systematic edits against Turks/Turkey related articles. My attempts to mediate went nowhere, these folks refuse to mediate, but run incessant wars. Tnks, Barefact 23:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Gallipoli Peninsula & Gelibolu Town

Please wait a few minute to order related articles. All will be ordered in a few minutes Regards. Mustafa Akalp 04:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

gallipoli again.

Dear khoikhoi,

I dont want to destroy any content. I ordered disambuquation page first. Gelibolu/Gallipoli town is added there. There was complexity and misslinking in the first Gallipoli article. How can we order? Regards Mustafa Akalp 04:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

First Gallipoli include some info about town but mostly about peninsula. Most of these info is not related with town. Please check how works disambuquation and links now. if it is ok. I will go further to organize the contents of these two article(peninsula and town) regards Mustafa Akalp 04:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

How we can use images from other wikis. Mustafa Akalp 04:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Gallipoli..disambiguation

Dear Khoikhoi, I think there are more places with a name Gallipoli. Please search them to put disambiguation page.

• at Naxsos island Gallipoli,
• at Anapolis vicinity,
• at Macedonia ,
• at Kalekarya??,(I dont know correct spelling)
• at Etolia,??
• at Cyprus,

regards _{Mustafa Akalp}^{(T) (C)} 09:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

An apparently small issue dealing having to do with Constantinople

Khoikhoi, I need your view on this. When I was editing Phanariotes, I avoided linking Constantinople over Istanbul, for a single and obvious reason: the former article ends in 1453, while the article in its entirety covers events after that moment. I am, of course, not responsible for that convention, although I would endorse it (the persistent "point" made by some Greek users about "Istanbul" being official after 1930 is flawed newspeak: there was no official convention similar to present ones before that date, and it is obvious to any mammal out there that the word "Istanbul" was not invented in 1930). However, if the vote is carried that I am wrong, I will not only comply with the decision: I will be changing respective links myself. Until then, any such linking is a breach of the MoS.

If the debate is to be carried, I think it belongs on the pages directly related to the city, and not on various pages related to projects endorsed and managed by Greek users. I also think it is only fair for Turkish users to express their views on the matter, and to present their sources if need be.

Thanks for your attention. Dahn 00:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Warrior Soul

Thanks for the warning. Actually, there is a link to his site (although the information not based on his) in the Turkish Army and also Turkish Gendermarie articles. However, i only removed the link from Turkish Navy article cause the information there is directly taken from the official Turkish Navy site, the same also valid for Turkish Coast Guard also. I already commented about this in one of the article's discussion page. I never replied anything on his site upto now. I think he's a paranoid. What do you think?E104421 08:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Assyrian Baklava

Hi, could you take a look at the recent history of Assyrian cuisine? Some anons (probably all the same person) have been removing good sourced content. My editorial judgement would be to remove the whole business about the Assyrian origin of baklava, since the only basis for it is low-quality Web pages, but I suppose it is useful to mention it and then balance it with good refs. I do not want to be alone in reverting the anon. Can you help? Thanks. --Macrakis 17:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Font's messed up?

Do you know if there is something wrong with the coding for Wikipedia that's led to the spacing and font to so radically change?--MarshallBagramyan 19:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Seleucia Pieria and Samandağ

You are mistaken about my edits here. I did not move one article to the other by cut-and-paste. I split the single article Samandağ into two articles, one about the town of Samandağ, the other about the ancient city of Seleucia Pieria whose ruins lie nearby. As it happens, most of the content in the Samandağ article was about Seleucia. --Macrakis 19:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, have cleaned up the results of the moves. But the Seleucia Pieria article could use some serious research. Just merging the 1911 EB and the Catholic Encyc. leaves rather a mess. Shouldn't there also be a distinct article on the Roman province of Syria? Just as there should be a distinct article on Ottoman Stambul (but even the name is a problem there: Kostantiniyye would be technically correct but is never used in English).... --Macrakis 21:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry and thanks

Hello Khoikhoi.

Yes, I wanted to make a minor edit to the Kurdish people page but got problem with a spam filter. However, it is not before now that I realize what a mess I left. Sorry about that.

Also, thank you for being quick in removing vandalism from my talk page. My user page have actually been semi-protected because of large amounts of attack vandalism. I believe the anon user is a sockpuppet of a user, who have been blocked at several IP adresses for vandalizing my user page and pushing POV at pages related to the Turkish army. So if you come across something similar, I would kindly ask you to report it to the administrators. Bertilvidet 19:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Good to hear that you notice these things. I start to have a hard time keeping track on him. And, how is Khoikhoi doing these days? I should know in order to answer people who ask me :-p Bertilvidet 20:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Move

Done. -- Steel 20:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Problematic image caption in Atatürk article

Hi Khoikhoi, could you please check the last notice I put on the talk page of the Atatürk article about an image caption of very dubious nature and keep an eye on the thing for a while? Hope you're doing fine. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 21:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! İyi olduğuna sevindim (that is, I'm glad (sevindim) that you are (olduğuna) ok (iyi)). Atilim Gunes Baydin 22:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

an armenian writer rejecting Genocide

You asked me if any armenian rejects genocide. Here is one> http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/news_read.asp?id=1387neurobio 22:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

So every body has a fault. McCarty is Turkish goverments man this guy is Turkis armenian and so on...

Igdir

Sorry about that. Missed your edits. Parishan 03:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed on October 17, 2006 with a tally of 53/6/0. I am equally elated and humbled by my new capacity as administrator of Wikipedia, and I send my heartfelt thanks for your unflinching support. If you need me for anything, just ask me! With gratitude, 210physicq (c) 02:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: This edit

You are, of course, right about avoiding self-references; I guess I'm just trying to hedge my bets against Shuppiluliuma, who is constantly changing it to the standard (rather than the strict) transliteration ... and may well keep doing so for a while, I don't know. He/She's not at all wrong (the standard transliteration is closer to the actual pronunciation), but I suppose I'm just aiming at stricter, academic-type standards (and the Wikipedia guideline I'd previously self-referenced) than he/she is. —Saposcat 05:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

"I think it's time for you to talk to him again, actually." So be it; as soon as I get the chance. Cheers. —Saposcat 06:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA thanks

Hi, Khoikhoi! Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 75/0/1! I hope I can live up to the standards of adminship, and I will try my best to make Wikipedia a better place. Feel free to send me a message if you need any assistance. :)

--Coredesat 15:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

edit of article about Bessarabian Jews

This is your comment:

(cur) (last) 22:57, 9 October 2006 Khoikhoi (Talk | contribs) (this is toally anachronistic) (cur) (last) 20:39, 6 October 2006 Dc76 (Talk | contribs)

Frankly speaking, I don't understand your objections. I editted very little. I compared my and your version, and you only changed some spelling and small stuff. The changes you made are absolutely ok with me. But I don't understand what did you find wrong in my edit to use "anachronistic". Or maybe I don't understand the meaning of this word?

Best wishes

Help requested

Hi,

By the way, since I have already bothered you :), could you help with a dispute about the artile "Budjak". I have edited it during the last few days, and I tried my best not to erase any info (I believe I succeded), only to add info. Unfortunately my edits have been revesed a couple times. I have contacted the person who did it, and we are talking. But I am afraid we would need to seek outside help to settle the issue. I have suggested a compromise, hopefully he/she will agree. But if not, is it possible to "vote" or something?

About me (Dc76): I have been editting wikipedia for about 2 years, but never used an account, except for the last couple months, when I editted more history and geography related stuff, and found it necessary to upload a file. Before that my edits were basically about science, etc (basically math), and were irregular, as they are now, but more rare. Somtimes my computer logs me out, and I do not know it. I have some setting helping me with virus protection, and I guess therefore I am often loged out before I notice. Hence sometimes it's my IP address even now.

Thank you

My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. I appreciate your support. Results are at Wikipedia:Recently_created_admins#Durova. Warmly, Durova 21:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Announcement: It's an administrator!

---

Khoikhoi, thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was a robust 62/1/1, so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any questions about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thanks again, Chris Griswold

Andrew Jackson Jihad

Please review this newest AfD, your opinion would be appreciated. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 00:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Lol!

Yes, I have been watching the check-user page, so I just saw it. It's hilarious. Once I found out that Snle reactivated an old account to make his edits to Shenyang, I started to wonder if this wasn't part of a larger plot...--Niohe 00:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yikes! That's true, but now that we're aware of this guy, it'll be easier to track him down.--Niohe 01:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

template

that's strange, I thought I created a new template. Thanks for the revert.--MarshallBagramyan 06:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Barbarossa (Ottoman admiral)

Hi, Khoikhoi. Although, the name of the article changed according to your wish. I do not find the process as a fair one. The reason is the short period (6days). This prevented many users (including the ones who contributed the article more) to involve in the voting process. Only 8 users voted with 5 support and 3 oppose. The last two voters were Tekleni and Hectorian who always push the same pov. The voting process ended immediately after their voting and the SysOp User:Duja closed the process. It's not fair. If the time is kept very limited, this kind of voting always ends with disputed results. What do you think? E104421 11:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous, E104421! I have this article in my watchlist and voted at the time that was convinient to me. I have the right of opinion, don't I? so, spare me with "same pov-pushing" and cabalistic crap! Hectorian 12:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, ridiculous, cause whenever i see Hectorian, i immediately see Tekleni, like a team. Anyway, i'm closing this voting issue, cause one of the voters created a single purpose accaunt, namely User:Serali, ignoring this makes total 7 votes (5 against 2), even in the case of the absence of Hectorian and Tekleni, the result would be 3 against 2. Then, welcome Barbarossa (Ottoman admiral). I'll try to adopt myself using this name. Regards, E104421 14:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Compare my contributions with any other user's. U are wrong and u do not like it, cause in some cases mine and Tekleni's opinions are similar... There nothing i can do about it, than say that... i am sorry... Hectorian 15:12, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, we'll wait and see. I must admit that it's too early to make a conclusion, but there are reasons to suspect, aren't they? Regards, E104421 16:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that there are as many reasons as to suspect that u act as a team with other users as well... As for the we'll wait and see (which seemed somehow threatening) i challeged u and anyone else to ask for sockpuppet-IP checks, comparisons of contributions, search for povish edits and/or personal attacks and whatever else regarding me... Afraid on nothing:) Hectorian 16:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood. By saying "we'll wait and see", I meant we'll probably to meet again soon in a similar dispute. For the poppety, you can check my ip anytime, cause i'm using static ip you'll always get the same number. You can also compare my contributions, i always work alone. Furthermore, I never attack anyone personally and never threaten anyone too, if you think so, this maybe due to language barrier (i'm not a native speaker), not on purpose. I'm an obstinate person, that's all. See you later... E104421 19:07, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Have never said the opposite of non of the above about u... However, as u said, 'we'll see':). btw, i am not a native speaker of english either, so, theoretically, i can also be misunderstood... PS: i cannot check ips, for i am not an admin. have in mine that not only static, but also dynamic ips (like mine) can be checked. Regards Hectorian 20:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Certainly, all can be checked and compared with others. I have enough courage to put my own arguments under my username and ip. If i need help, there are many wikipedian friends to get some advice. I'm not only against puppetry but also team working. That's why i commented about your edits to some well-experienced ones. Anyway, i prefer working alone and also expecting everyone to put/defend their own arguments themselves. Cheers E104421 22:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Van Article

Defense of Van and Van Resistance named articles should be combined, and mediation is needed, as I am deleting irrelevan and POV material, Ottoman reference keeps adding his Turkish POV.(Hetoum 00:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC))

Re: Request

Sprotected Thessaloniki. I remember the threads on... AN/I, I think it was. Didn't do any reverting, looks like the current version is theirs, but I'll let you sort that part out. Luna Santin 22:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, get on gmail chat.--Tekleni 22:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

T & C

Hi Khoikhoi, thanks for your welcome & congratulations for yours Thinks and Trophys.
--.José 02:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Transnistrian referendum, 2006

Hi, Khoi. Can you please convince Mauco to join the mediation regarding Transnistrian referendum, 2006? Everybody agreed mediation, except him. If you want to join the process, you are wellcome.--MariusM 18:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Help Please

This Datas

Not true

This wrong

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Galatasaray_S.K.&diff=82692554&oldid=82690113

This true

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Galatasaray_S.K.&diff=prev&oldid=82690113

This article false datas existing.

Congratulations!

I couldn't resist the idea of being the fist to give you my congratulations ;-) This Is a great day for me, for I at last see one one of my supreme models at last recompensated, and provided with the tools very few will be ever able to use better. Congratulations again, my friend! Ciao, Aldux 23:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

That would be a great start :-)))) You know, my very first action as an admin was to semiprotect Xanthi from Mywayyy's attacks.--Aldux 23:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Allow me to be the second to offer a well-deserved and long-overdue "congratulations".--WilliamThweatt 01:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Damn it! i was not the first (fellow Aldux was quicker...), but i would also like to congratulate u! hijacking of RfA did not work this time (and i am happy i had nothing to do with this, this time... i guess u know what i mean...:)...). Well done and wish u a brand new admin wiki-career:) Ciao Hectorian 01:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hhehe, i just show it:). I really think that the "admin buttons" given to u will be a benefit for Wikipedia... Not only cause u are dealing will a variety of vandalistic attacks (as someone noted in your RfA), but also cause of NPOV issues and issues about balancing nationalistic edits and aggressive additions and reverts from even registered users (perhaps me included:p). btw, could u join gmail? Hectorian 01:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA

I am pleased to let you know that, consensus reached, you are now an Administrator. You should find the following forums useful:

• Administrators' reading list
• Administrators' how-to guide
• Administrators' Noticeboard

• Administrators' Noticeboard for Incidents
• Administrators' Noticeboard for Three-revert rule violations

Congratulations on your promotion and the best of luck with your new charge! Redux 01:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats. You've certainly come a long way since this. – Chacor 02:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Those who want to thank others on their talk pages usually "send out" their thanks immediately (or as soon as they see it) after they are promoted. Many users, however, prefer not to be thanked or acknowledged for their participation in RfAs. Many recently-promoted admins have preferred to issue a general "thank you" note on their own talk page, and sometimes on the talk page of the RfA itself (with a note about it on their own talk page). If you choose to go to each user's talk page, you might consider keeping it simple, though: many users don't mind the "thank you" note, but they don't like when "fancy" templates are used. It is really up to you as to how exactly to proceed to thank people, if at all. Cheers, Redux 03:38, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!

I'm sorry I never got round to supporting you, but you seemed to be doing all right... I'm very glad to see you an admin, congradulations! Bishonen | talk 01:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC).

Many congratulations! Rama's arrow 01:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! Errabee 02:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations Khoikhoi! -- Samir धर्म 04:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats and good job! I'm sure you'll do great things with the ol' mop and bucket. --Mr. Lefty (talk) 04:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hearty congratulations! --Guinnog 05:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats and welcome to the honorary mop and bucket society! Ramallite ^(talk) 05:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

- ***Congratulations!*** --Aminz 05:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not concerned as to if you'll be a good admin as do 135 other users agree.I recommend though that you may want to help with the backlogs here and there.Again, Congratulations SOADLuver 06:38, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

CONGRATULATIONS! Asterion^talk 09:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Συγχαρητήρια!!! •NikoSilver• 10:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats and good luck! Grandmaster 12:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, bro. You earned this. --InShaneee 13:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Շնորհավոր!--Eupator 14:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on your promotion dude. You truly deserve it.--MarshallBagramyan 19:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem!

Congratulations on your recent RfA. It's about time, I say! Thanks for the pretty picture, and good luck in your admin duties! - Kribbeh 05:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow. You've already beaten me to a vandalism revert! I have no doubts you deserved to have a successful RfA! - Kribbeh 05:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA and yours

Hello Khoikhoi! My hearty congratulations on your promotion. I'm sure you are going to make a great admin. My RfA closed today as well, and I'm happy to announce that it succeeded with a final tally of 77/2/0. I hope I live up to the confidence you have shown. Thanks again, and all the best with your new tools.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 06:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations again!

I am proud to be the 18th person who congratulate you with the adminship. Your result was impressive, not only quantitatively but also in terms of users with different backgrounds who often disagree. Keep up the good work, kolay gelsin! Bertilvidet 10:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I wish I knew about this so that I could voted for you as well. Congratulations. Chaldean 12:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well and good luck with the mop. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 15:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Best of luck.   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Help

Hi Khoikhoi! Congratulations on your successful RfA. Could you please have a look at Azadeh Moaveni article. It has been vandalised frequently by an impersonator (Amoaveni) and a few suspected sock puppets. Siba 14:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats

You are welcome, Khoi. Congratulations and good luck with the new job. To be honest, I actually thought you were already an admin. Ciao, Kober 15:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Changes to the Arab Iranian article

You have reverted my delete of the reference to Pour Pirar. He is a conspiracy theorist and believes that Iran was an Arab country until an international Jewish conspiracy invented Persian history. Here is the reference: http://www.turkiran.com/554%20hamvatan%20setizi.htm. He is not a historian, belongs to no faculty, has no historical qualification. He was a journalist for an organisation that is now on the State Department's of terrorist organisation and that is why people know his name. I do not know why you insist on reverting the article.

Mountain Jews

Hi Khoikhoi, I think Jews of Caucassia should written distinct because Jews are an ethno-religious group. On the other hand, Jews of Azerbaijan are descendants of Jews who had flee to Khazaria and mixed up with Khazarian Turks[4]. Azeri people does also claim that they're descendants of Khazarian Turks. The article says "Iranian" for Mountain Jews. What do you think? Doluca 16:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I mean Khazars. When I was in Azerbaijan they told me that they were descendents of Khazars. However, I don't know how reliable is this. Doluca 16:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks. :) Doluca 16:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!

I was more than happy to support you - yours was one of the first RfAs I've come across where I already had seen the editor around often and had a feel for his/her work. I think you'll do an excellent job. Congratulations again! | Mr. Darcy talk 16:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The one that came to mind was Moldovan language and its friends - I ended up responding to an RfC and spent some time on that article. I've "seen" you around other places, but I walked away from that article with a good impression of your work. | Mr. Darcy talk 22:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian ※ Talk 21:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations Khoikhoi! I know you will do us proud as admin. If you have any admin-related questions, feel free to contact me. Nishkid64 23:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

congratulations, Khoikhoi! ITAQALLAH 19:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry

Hey Khoikhoi, I have to apologize to you. I didn't get a chance to support you in your recent RfA. Know, however, that I fully intended to do so. Anyhow, congratulations! Best, Clevelander 16:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

You deserve it!

You deserve it man, I thought, as other people did, that you were an admin already hehe. You're always around when needed, your edit history is awesome and you're a good man...Շնորհաւոր ըլլայ! Fedayee 16:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:welcome

Thanks for your welcome message. Please do not delete messages from other users I receive in my discussion page. If necessary I will delete them by myself. Roamataa 17:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Etymology of Ankara

Hi, Khoikhoi,

I notice you introduced a mention of a possible source for the name "Ankara" in the Ankara article. (This is already mentioned in the Ankara#History subsection. In so doing, did you notice my comment on the topic in Talk:Ankara?

--Ziusudra 17:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Admin log

You're doing a great job so far! I noticed that you're big on the 24-hour block, hehe. Anyway, I didn't check all the block logs of those guys, but I just wanted to tell you that I usually do 31-hour block for 1st offense, 48-hr or 72-hour for second offense, and so on. If it is an unshared repeatedly blocked IP vandal, then I'd block him/her for multiple weeks or months. Also, the Lake Iznik thing is perfectly fine. I would have done it just by manually fixing it, but it doesn't matter. You only get in trouble if you did something really bad, or really stupid lol. Also, try to be civil to other users that you may block or get into conflicts with. That's usually where other admins have faltered over time, and in some occasions, serious consequences have resulted. Just keep up what you have been doing, and you'll be just fine. And remember...I'm always willing to lend a hand to a friend. =) Nishkid64 23:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I haven't myself done any page moves like yours so I might be getting this mixed up...but... I meant that you did not have to do a page move there. You could have just moved the content from Lake Ascansus to Lake Iznik, and then created redirect on Ascansus. If there were categories, you could also manually move those too. Well, if you're lazy then you can delete =).

Also, if you want to, you can go harder on the bans for sockpuppetry. You can make them somewhere between 2 days and one week.

Okay, for indef blocks, you can hand those out to sockpuppets, vandalism-only accounts, trolling, etc. When banning indef, put the indefblock tag on the user page. If the user has not had any edits made to the user talk, then add indefblock there too. If the user has, you can either remove all convos and add indefblock, or add vandalblock to the bottom of the page.

Regarding those two options. "Block anonymous users only" is used when blocking IP users. I recently dealt with a case in which I blocked a school IP for a period of 48 hours, but there was one user who wanted to go on his Wikipedia account at school. The problem was that I didn't check off "block anonymous users only", so as a result, anyone operating from that IP, registered or not, could not edit. So, I had to unblock, and then reblock with that box checked off, and then the registered user was allowed to edit again at school. "Prevent account creation" is the default checked box, and it means that a person from that IP address can not make a new account from that address. It just basically prevents an abusive IP user from making a vandalism-only account. Nishkid64 00:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

2nd button is default, first is optional. So you did the right thing with the indefblocks. I suggest you add indefblock tags to userpages just so it is easier to actually know. Avoid indefblock tags for pages that are advertising. (There was a user with the an admin's phone number yesterday, so I added the tag, but another admin deleted the page to avoid attracting attention). Nishkid64 01:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

De nada

I don't know you or what you stand for and quite frankly I only voted for you because that douchebag was using racial slurs against you. Czolgolz 23:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, hearty congratulations - We need more admins like you to tackle the tough guano dumps, rather than simply swanning around doing nothing! Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Meaning

hmmm I thought you'd know the meaning by now ;) It's means "congratulations"! Fedayee 04:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte

Yes, you were right again. However, Ianos appears to have made only one edit, why would you suspect him? BTW, congratulations on becoming an admin. If you have a chance, would you mind e-mailing me about the IP campaign against your adminship? Jayjg ^(talk) 05:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Our friend...

He seems to be back: Special:Contributions&target=172.163.82.254, Special:Contributions&target=172.161.249.33, Special:Contributions&target=172.144.218.21, but less agressive this time. Please feel free to protect my talk page, even without my request, if it once again becomes target for vandalism. Bertilvidet 06:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

And now user:172.163.82.254. Hope you will keep an eye on it...Cheers, Bertilvidet 15:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello!

Really bad times in the army, hard to prevent from going mad. Could not succeed to do so, to be frank. That Hatay issue is really unitelligible, those "claims" that got the NPOV tag are basic historical facts. Unfortunately, I don't have the possibility of having access to sources. Ciao for now! Behemoth 07:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your fast response. Cheers. Siba 08:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Snle (again!)

As you are undoubtedly aware of, Snle has been caught for sock puppetry again. This time, he discovered the check user page and freaked out completely for a moment. On a more serious note, it might be worthwhile asking an administrator to semi-protect the Manchuria page until things calm down a bit. What do you think? --Niohe 13:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I just archived Talk:Manchuria and I had a look at previous contributors. My curiosity was piqued by the comments posted by Naus (talk · contribs) and RevolverOcelotX (talk · contribs). First, the arguments they put forward are stumblingly similar to Snle's, and second, they stopped contributing roughly at the same time as Snle and his sock puppets started making aggressive edits. --Niohe 15:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but I think I found another six suspected sock puppets, Manchus (talk · contribs), Bvea (talk · contribs), Dongbei (talk · contribs), Nrinv (talk · contribs), Necease (talk · contribs) and Rynvm (talk · contribs). Take a look at the contributions made by "Manchus" and "Necease". This is getting very myserious indeed.--Niohe 15:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I just filed a formal semi-protection request, I'm getting a bit tired of tracking this guy.--Niohe 19:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on the adminship, wasn't aware of the fact that you were running. I would semi-protect the page right now, this guy will come back next weekend, when he is most active.--Niohe 19:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

I usually track Requests for adminship, but I missed yours. Please accept my apologees, for I would've most definately supported you. Cheers. --PaxEquilibrium 16:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations from me too, and I'm not even beginning to explain what kept me completely away from the internet for the last four days because you wouldn't believe it... ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Could you please explain this

Why did you revert it? What was wrong with that? The current article Persian people is about Persian-speaking people (not people of Iran, or Persian-speaking people of Iran). The term "main inhabitants of Iran" is misleading. Do you expect that I write a full explanatory paragraph for each small change that I make in the articles? Jahangard 18:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria

The refference given in the article show the contrary which was stated. I checked the first 10 biografies of the members of Transnistrian Parlament, as showed in the official Transnistrian site, and only 2 are born in Transnistria. Is a fact that the majority of Transnistrian leadership are people born outside Transnistria, even the separatist regime show that Official website: Biographies of all PMR Members of Parliament. I corrected the article.--MariusM 19:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Romanians

It seems people are getting confused that this page only refers to ethnic Romanians and are using sources that refer to any ethnicity that lived in the territory that was at one point in time Romania. Furthermore, people aren't understanding that if Moldovans are counted as a separate ethnicity they can't be counted as Romanians on the Romanians page, and lastly, nobody is bothering to double check their sources- most of which only refer to Romanians working/living abroad - and so many Romanians are being counted as two people on this page. Now the number magically comes up to 28 million, and any effort I put it to restore the previous configuration is being reverted. Any help? Horvat Den 22:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Cretan Turks

Hi Khoi. i reverted your edit in Cretan Turks. The article History of Crete refers to the whole period from the Minoan civilazation until after the Battle of Crete. The 'Cretan Turks', in the scope of that article, are "mainly" descendants of the Turks (upon its creation i had concerns on whether they are local converts or not)... As such, their ancestors arrived after 1649-69 and had left by mind '20s. so, the article Cretan Muslims covers their history better, along with other Cretans who practice islam, but do not self-identify as Turks. the history before and after those dates has to do with the island, and not with the ethnic group. Regards Hectorian 21:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Question

Not at all. :) It's actually adapted from something Glen made, but you're quite welcome to it. The block messages/times/etc. are fairly easy to fiddle with, too. I'm hoping to improve on it at some point, but my knowledge of Javascript is rather lacking, so it'll be awhile, I think. Luna Santin 01:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks a lot for barnstar. :)) PANONIAN (talk) 01:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Question about pics

Hey khoikhoi, i've got a question about uploading pictures. I've got plenty of pictures of Armenian related material in my old Armenian History book. Could i upload em w/out facing copyright and related stuff...i'm completely lost about images on wiki... thanks Fedayee 02:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!

Your an admin? Congrats, you'll do a great job, best of luck.Khosrow II 03:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit to Fallujah on 19:19, 22 October 2006

Your edit to the Fallujah article included copyrighted material produced by the Italian newspaper La Repubblica. This is because you reverted to a previous reversion than included the original copyright violation by the user at IP 65.209.159.10[5]. See WP:C or WP:WWIN if you have any questions.--Burzum 04:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Recent events

There's quite a storm brewing up now between France and Turkey, the French putting the denial of the Armenian Genocide under the same laws as the Shoah, and the Turks replying by doing just about everything they can to piss Chirac off. Now I admit that I have already tried in the past to get the Turkey article to at least make a passing mention of the genocide: They said it wasn't important enough to go in "history". They also said that as it is not a formal condition to accession, it isn't important enough to go in "Foreign Relations (EU section)". Finally, they said that the foreign relations section is too long, and so does not need an "Armenians" section. My opinion is that while each reason seems OK, and I hold those who give them in the highest esteem, the end result is an article that mentions neither what is considered the first genocide of the 20th century, nor its categoric denial (and prosecution of those who don't) by the country in question. What is your opinion on the matter? Congratulations on the RfA by the way, I thought it would be nice of me to throw you straight into the shark pit... yandman 07:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Occupation of Izmir

Hi Khoikoi, the above article has been tagged and nominated for deletion. They are saying it is a pov fork and pov title. I'd appreciate as an admin if you could leave your view at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Occupation of İzmir as to whether it meets deletion crieria. Thanks, --A.Garnet 18:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

We are having the discussion here: [6] You may also want to read this: [7]

I would really appreciate it if you took the time to read those and comment. I firmly believe that GM is being very disruptive.Khosrow II 20:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Afghanistan

Hi Khoikhoi. Could you please have a loo at Afghanistan?! User:NisarKand is totally messing up the article with really stupid POV. I've tried to talk to him in the talk page, but it's useless (see what he writes: [8]). He's pushing for some kind of extreme anti-Persian and ati-Tajik, Pashtun-nationalist POV (claiming that "Dari and Farsi are totally different languages, like English and Spanish" and that "there have never been Persians in Afghanistan", etc etc etc). He does not even understand that th word "Shah" in Zahir Shah's name is part of his title, not part of his name. Tājik 20:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Tajik on this one. I was just about to bring it to your attention. User's claims are definetly POV, especially when it comes to Dari and Persian.Khosrow II 22:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, User:NisarKand is not stopping and continues to vandalize the page. Just take a look at this edit. He has not even understood the 24h block after violating 3RR. It's hopeless. Tājik 23:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)