Talk:Social Democratic Party (Romania)

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Social Democratic Party There are too many photos of Geoana! But none of Iliescu, the founder and one of the most known members.

Yes, correct, fixed...I hope it's ok like this

Mistake

"In the legislative elections of 2004, the PSD gained the largest share of the vote but because it did not have a majority, all the other major parties formed the Justice and Truth alliance, which managed to gain a parliamentary majority and is currently in government, consigning the PSD to opposition."

There is a mistake here, in that the Justice and Truth alliance was already formed by PD and PNL prior to the elections, not after them, so after PSD won the elections but didn't have enough to form a majority, PD and PNL convinced two small parties, PUR (PC today), PSD's ally, and UDMR to join them in forming a coalition (NOT as part of the alliance), in order to form a majority. L337 Krew (talk) 21:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Leftist party

The idea that FSN/PSDR/PSD is a leftist party is greatly exaggerated. According to Florin Poenaru, "the movement led by Ion Iliescu was from the very beginning the party of local capitalists and not of the industrial proletariat" (p. 36). Cistelecan, Alex (29 May 2017). "Materialismul evanescent". revistavatra.org (in Romanian). Retrieved 4 December 2018. Andrei Pleșu once stated that main post-'89 Romanian political parties do not act on the basis of ideology/doctrine. "22 PLUS, nr. 301: „Orice doctrină devine periculoasă când se transformă în ideologie"". Revista 22 (in Romanian). 31 August 2010. Retrieved 17 October 2019. Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:05, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

None of the social-demcoratic parties today are parties of the industrial proletariat, does that mean there are not leftist anymore?Anonimu (talk) 11:58, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Here Labour Party (Netherlands) practiced neoliberal economic policy. Now it's in opposition. Tgeorgescu (talk) 13:10, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu: And what does it have to do with the PSD? Braganza (talk) 17:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

The gist is that FSN/PSDR/PSD didn't do Socialist policy. They were privatizing almost everything. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:44, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I mean Labour Party (Netherlands) Braganza (talk) 11:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

National-conservatism

According to Le Monde, PSD is National conservative. I think that this could be added. Source: https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2018/12/31/la-roumanie-sur-la-voie-de-la-hongrie-et-de-la-pologne_5403800_3210.html RAMSES$44932 (talk) 08:46, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Christian left

Christian left can also be mentioned as ideology, and it is already in the Romanian-language wikipedia. Source: https://www.romania-insider.com/senate-referendum-traditional-family RAMSES$44932 (talk) 08:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Political position

De jure, PSD is center left. De facto, it is syncretic. I think both should be mentioned RAMSES$44932 (talk) 08:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Here are some sources: https://www.caleaeuropeana.ro/presedintele-psd-liviu-dragnea-psd-este-cel-mai-mare-partid-de-stanga-din-europa-se-doreste-o-contraofensiva-la-ungaria-cu-o-tara-unde-guvernul-e-de-stanga/

https://www.g4media.ro/partidul-lui-dacian-ciolos-se-pozitioneaza-la-centru-stanga-e-prima-provocare-pentru-electoratul-clasic-al-psd.html

https://www.thenewfederalist.eu/top-30-partide-politice-din-romania RAMSES$44932 (talk) 17:53, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

See #Leftist party: till now I saw no evidence that this party would be left wing. Iliescu and this party practiced a somewhat slower version of shock therapy, but they had never said no to the neoliberal agenda. Massive privatizations do not fit a leftist party. Tell me a company which this party has nationalized. That there are leftist members of this party, I don't deny—however they are lost souls in respect to the policy implemented by their own party. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Possible Wrong List of Leaders

Is it Right to view PSD as a continuation of FSN since FDSN was more a brokeaway faction and the two candidated agaist eqchother in the 1992 Elections?

Or is better to have Gherman as the first official Party Leader in 1992 or Illiescu as the First unofficial Party Leader?

As this article on the Party's History might Suggest: http://www.politicaromaneasca.ro/partidul_social_democrat-285 DiGrande (talk) 17:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Remove "Authoritarian conservative" description and change "syncretic" back to "centre-left"

This is a personal opinion of some critics, not a stated ideology, not acceptable to put such a description in the presentation paragraph, this description is based only on sources that are opposition medias stating their opinion on the current government. To remove from the presentation paragraph, and eventually to add in a "Criticism" section. Also, it is a centre-left party, the fact that it has some socially conservative positions is insufficient to call it "syncretic". Snarcky1996 (talk) 19:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, there's no "left" in the Romanian Parliament. The Romanian left is dead and the PSD knows it. It is a leftist party in name only. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

That's a personal opinion. In term of economic policy, it has policies that are equivalent to all european social-democratic parties. Also, I said "centre-left", not "left-wing". Snarcky1996 (talk) 19:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Andrei Plesu wrote some years ago an article that Romanian political parties do not work based upon ideology. And what FSN/PSDR/PSD did cannot be called leftist, on the contrary, they acted as the party of the entrepreneurs, even though the appealed to the votes of the industrial working class. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

The exact same can be said of every other european centre-left/social-democratic parties, wich is why it is precised Centre-left, they are indeed not trying to abolish capitalism, nor are they in favor of re-nationalizing the economy, they do have instead some redistributive policies and policies to increase wages, wich in the current understanding of what "centre-left" and "social-democratic" mean in the current european political context, fit exactly the description "centre-left". Snarcky1996 (talk) 20:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that was already discussed at this talk page, about the Dutch PvdA being leftist or just a party of soft neoliberalism.

Obama supported both neoliberalism and the welfare state. But Obama wasn't leftist, he was pretty much like Merkel. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Some people like you may say that "Obama was pretty much like Merkel", but on the other hand there are plenty of people who don't think that Obama was "pretty much like Merkel". We are in the realm of opinion with that. But to try to put the best possible political definition of what centre-left is, again, the current consensus is that centre-left designate mainly that: support for the welfare state. Snarcky1996 (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Ideology

There is a big ideology bloat in the infobox. All of the ideologies listed can be mentioned in its own section, but in the infobox only few ones should remain. I suggest leaving only Social Democracy and Social Conservatism since they should entirely cover the party's main ideology. Zlad! (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)