Talk:Shemale

Lead

I suggest that the term 'humorous colloquialism' in the lead be renamed to 'slur' - since the description is clearly of a word used to degrade aggressive women by calling them men. 92.11.148.33 (talk) 00:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

The lead clearly mentions that it was considered "humorous" over a century ago. There is no need to change the lead. Mathglot (talk) 02:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

It was clearly used as a slur though and using the same description as perpetrators violates WP:NPOV. If someone was rude to you and said what they did was just a joke, you wouldn't want others using that as proof nothing wrong happened, would you? Gabrielle103 (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2022

Remove the lead part about the word shemale (I can say this because I'm a trans woman) being used as a slur against women in the 19th century, because it is not sourced. Stephanie921 (talk) 03:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: It's the title of the article, and the article has an extensive section about it being offensive. FrederalBacon (talk) 04:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I mentioned something similar...I am a woman and I have NEVER been called this EVER. When I see the word, I know it doesn't refer to me. THis is specifically and exclusively used as a slur against trans women; I don't know why some of the editors of wikipedia have SUCH a hard time understanding this!

Trans women experience bullying and harassment that is unique to them (or, you). I don't understand why some people cannot respect the unique experiences of trans women by letting them 'own' their own discrimination experiences that are not shared with natal women (and of course, such people won't allow that in the name of 'trans rights' - it's laughable).

We all know why it's not sourced - because it didn't happen. Good luck trying to change the minds of political activists on Wikipedia, though. THe rules go out the window when they have a political agenda to spread. Slowe4333 (talk) 20:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Slowe4333, what you have never been called is true for your experience, but has no bearing on this article, which like all articles at Wikipedia must be based on independent, published, reliable, secondary sources. The long and the short of it is, your experiences have no place at Wikipedia, unless you get interviewed about them and it is published in a reliable source, and then you can quote it. I've responded to your comment about political activists on Wikipedia at your Talk page, as it is not relevant here. Mathglot (talk) 21:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

What I am missing and suggest

A1: Distinguish between:

• biological appearance of female and male organs in one person and
• aspects of behaviour and/or clothing/dressing (only i.e. with no mixture of organs).

A2: Do this distinguishing by:

• creating two major headings, which appear in the table of content and
• sorting all the content under these two major headings,

of course using subheadings where appropriate.

A3: Answer all the following questions already in the lead section.

B: Do persons who have a female face, figure (outline (seen from the *front*)) and breasts, but a penis, do really exist or are such images only fake meaning: made with PhotoShop?

C: If such persons do exist in flesh, are any of them born this way or are all such made with the help of hormones or surgery?

D: On those who are made with the help of hormones:

• is there only one way e.g. a born male taking female hormones, or
• is there also the other way: born fe-male and then taken male hormones?

and what are the results?

E: If the person takes male or female hormones, does this change the "lower appearance" meaning: the primary sexual organs (vulva/vagina and penis)?

F: Do exist persons which have a vulva/vagina and a penis?

G: Are any of such persons able to procreate?

2A01:C22:D480:9700:742B:972A:C097:2A5B (talk) 08:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

In Shemale #Connotations / 2nd paragraph there is the sentence:

Trans author Leslie Feinberg writes, "'he-she' and 'she-male' describe the person's gender expression with the first pronoun and the birth sex with the second.

The main content of his sentence should be part of the lead section.

2A01:C22:D480:9700:742B:972A:C097:2A5B (talk) 08:26, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

'She-male' as a complete mis-noming

On most images (whether (un-shopped??) photos, (more or less badly) photoshopped images or obvious paintings) of persons who have breasts and a penis, which I have seen, to me, they look very fe-male i.e. like women in almost all aspects (face, figure (from front or back), vertical proportions) with just one exception/deviation: the penis.

If such persons are called she-males it seems to me, that this term is wrongly applied; they should be called something like partially male women.

More clear: the last noun of the term (which in all compound terms is the main part) should be something fe-male like 'woman' or 'female'; which would then be something like: partially male female.

This aspect of complete mis-noming (at least to such biological persons) should also clearly be mentioned in the article.

2A01:C22:D480:9700:742B:972A:C097:2A5B (talk) 10:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes thanks 105.112.71.109 (talk) 22:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)