Talk:Flag of Georgia (U.S. state)

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I don't know nothing about this flag. What is this flag for? Wshun

Every state of the United States has its own flag, just as every country in the world has its own flag. -- Zoe

This page is out of date. There is now a new flag. Can somebody with knowledge update this page? -- Zoe

{ It has been done. Bubba73 (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Flag before 1920?

The oldest flag shown is that used from 1920 to 1956. What was or were Georgia's flag(s) before 1920? --Angr/_comhrá 07:55, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I added them. Bubba73 (talk) 02:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

The first Georgia flag, before 1879, is missing. It needs to be added as well. Softlavender (talk) 11:01, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

More details on the symbol?

Can we get more details on the symbol in the upper-left? Looking at the image, I can make out some, but not all, of the text, and can't tell who the person is supposed to represent.

• That symbol is the seal of the State of Georgia. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Georgia

Clarkefreak ∞ 02:12, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

• I added info re the IGWT motto with a wikilink. Someone before me added good links to the state seal that clarify the other words and design details. -- Lisasmall 04:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Legality of 2001 Flag?

I heard somewhere that the '01 flag was abandoned because it included an illegal display of the US flag on/in another flag, which is somewhere prohibited. I glanced through the flag code on wikisource, which is where I expected it to be, and came up empty. Does anyone know specifics about this? Does anyone know what the hell I'm talking about? Clarkefreak ∞ 03:01, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I've never heard that. I think it was changed because not many people liked it. The 2001 flag was hurridly designed by a committee who didn't know how to design a flag. Also, many people wanted to stick with the previous flag. The state legislature changed the flag again in 2003, and people voted on whether they wanted the 2001 flag of 2003 flag. The 2003 flag won by a large margin. Bubba73 (talk) 02:23, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

As I recall, in 2001 the flag was changed overnight behind closed doors with little or no civic votes input. It really pissed off a lot of people. -Adam —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.9.68 (talk) 14:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

More Information

If someone feels inspired (sorry, I don't), they can use this information from the Georgia state website to add more information, and previous flags: http://www.sos.state.ga.us/museum/html/georgia_flag_history.html Clarkefreak ∞ 03:07, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I added four older flags. They appear differently on the page according to what browser text size you are using - even out of order in some cases. I don't know how to fix it. If I get around to it, I'll put individual images of the four flags that are in one image. Bubba73 (talk) 02:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

13 stars

I'm tempted to omit the part about the 13 stars in the last paragraph. All other references I looked at say that the 13 stars reoresent the 13 colonies or the original 13 states of the US. Bubba73 (talk) 03:23, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

The law that created the flag says that the 13 stars represent the original 13 states law. Bubba73 (talk) 03:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I inserted { {dubious} } after the sentence about 13 stars (which shows up as disputed), because I can't find any support for this statement. All references to it that I checked give the reason that Georgia was one of the 13 colonies that rebeled against England and was one of the original 13 states. (BTW, the person in the seal is dressed as a Revolutionaly War soldier, and "1776" is under the seal.) Bubba73 [[User_talk:Bubba73|(talk)]] 00:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, I have removed these sentences. 13 stars universally represents the original 13 states (in both the north and the south). --JW1805 ^(Talk) 04:30, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

I think this issue needs to be re-examined. I am interested in reading the law being referenced by Bubba73, but the link provided is not working for me. Here is at least one reference from a Georgia government affiliated site stating that the 13 stars carry over from the nearly identical first national flag of the Confederacy, whose 13 stars represent its member states: [1] (see section "Yet Another New Flag"). The argument that the stars must refer to the original colonies because the figure on the Georgia seal is dressed as a Revolutionary War soldier is necessary problematic, as every other part of the flag besides the state seal came directly from the first national Confederate flag. Michellecornelison (talk) 15:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, here is the link to the Georgia law, which says "... encircled by 13 white five-pointed stars, representing Georgia and the 12 other original states that formed the United States of America. " Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 23:43, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

And the stuff inside the circle of 13 stars is from the Seal of Georgia (U.S. state), which dates to 1777, and is clearly a Revolutionary War soldier. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 00:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Correction: the first Georgia seal is from 1777 but the one with the Revolutionary soldier dates to 1799. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:01, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to the law. I think it would be better to have the law as a reference rather than an almanac article. I wish we could link it to the actual law on a .gov site rather than Justia, but unfortunately Georgia uses a LexisNexis system to view its laws and you can't link to anything. There is a pdf link to the bill though, which was Georgia HB 380 of 2003:[2]. I think that might be best.

Also, I looked more closely at the article that I linked to in my last post[3] and realized that it actually does mention the law and Amendment 1 which "specified that those stars represented the thirteen original colonies rather than the Confederate states." I feel like this Wikipedia article would benefit from an acknowledgement of the disparity between what is plainly visible (the similarities between this flag and the first national Confederate flag) and the law which states the stars have completely different meanings on each flag. Of course the article should state the law, but I think readers would benefit from this issue being addressed.

I think two things should be added: 1. Clarification that state law dictates that the stars represent the 13 original states (we can just add to the end of the sentence, "as stated in O.C.G.A. 50-3-1(a)"); and 2. A description of the first national Confederate flag to include the symbolism of its 13 stars and an image of the flag. I'm certainly willing to make these changes myself, of course, but I'm happy to discuss it here first. Cheers, Michellecornelison (talk) 03:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

That sounds fine to me, with the slight exception that the first national Confederate flag contained a varying number of stars - seven, nine, eleven, and thirteen. (The so-called Betsy Ross flag also had a circle of 13 stars on a field of blue.) Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:48, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Why so many changes?

I understand the changes starting in 1956, but does anyone know why they changed it so many times before then? 207.203.80.14 21:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a major shortcoming of the article but I don't know enough to fix it. GoodWikian (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

From what I can remember of what I've read, the changes weren't all entirely official, but rather a consequence of unclear language in the official legal description of the flag. McGehee (talk) 23:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

That could be an interesting part of the story to follow up on. I seem to recall that the US flag had similar issues at one point...that arrangement of stars wasn't specifies, and as a result you got some clever variations. The transition from individual seamstresses making design decisions to having everything highly specified could be very interesting. PurpleChez (talk) 17:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

North American Vexillological Association survey?!?

I think it's absurd to include the survey by the North American Vexillological Association and it's mention should be struck from the article. This so-called survey asked for the personal opinions was of a small and highly biased group of flag fanatics, and it by no means represents the opinions of the wider public. It's like including a survey of the Zombie Movie Experts Association of America in the article on Night of the Living Dead. Perhaps they'd call Night of the Living Dead the greatest American film of all time. But that doesn't make it so. It's still just an opinion of a small and highly biased group of people... Take a look at the survey comment in this article and add your thoughts here. ask123 (talk) 20:25, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. It's an article largely about flag design and it's entirely appropriate to include a survey of professionals in that field. At no point does the article try to say that their opinion "represents the opinions of the wider public" (although the truth is that the public didn't much like the flag either. This is an absurd argument...it would be pointless to ask the Zombie Movie Experts Association of America about the greatest American film of all time but it might be quite valuable to ask them about the best zombie movies.PurpleChez (talk)

South Park Spoof

South Park made a spoof of flag change in 2001. With the controversy whether to change it due to racial issues or to keep it do to historical traditions. This should be included —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.39.149.133 (talk) 02:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

No. South Park spoofs everything, and I don't think anyone wants to include "South Park spoofed this" on every article in Wikipedia. McGehee (talk) 23:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I hereby nominate you for a nobel peace prize for this eminently sensible statement. May we add Simpsons, Family Guy, Mad Magazine and The Onion to the list of parody sources not notable enough to warrant mention in serious articles? (though i love the onion's take on this flag issue...no, i wont link it, look it up!)(mercurywoodrose)66.80.6.163 (talk) 19:43, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do it! [4]

Roy Barnes

Removed the "Roy's Rag" reference. First off, it was weasely, stating "called by some" and never citing who the "some" might include. Second, it comes close to sounding like it's trying to advance the POV of the confederate flag supporters. It didn't add anything, it wasn't the proper tone...and I lived in Georgia at that time, followed the flag issue very, very closely, was well aware of the bad feelings confederate apologists had toward Barnes, and never once heard the term used at the time.PurpleChez (talk) 00:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Intro

Please explain how ‘The current flag of the U.S. state of Georgia’ is not an acceptable intro. The fact that the URL is .... Flag of Georgia (U.S. state) is not good enough, we’re talking about the content itself. Zarcadia (talk) 00:50, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

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Removed "direct copy" claim from lede

I removed the clause "…and [Georgia] is the only one with a direct copy of a flag once flown by the Confederate States of America." The meaning of "direct copy" is vague and unsupported by the cited references. The flag is a new design that did not exist prior to 2003, so the claim is not that it is an "exact" copy of a Confederate flag. Whatever the editor was trying to say, it cannot have been a statement that belongs in an encyclopedia, especially in the lede of an article. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 15:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Link to Rachel Lance

There is a link to Rachel Lance in the references. It doesn't sound like the right person, to me. It is the right person. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)