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Arab conquest of Kaikan

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There's no such event/conquest that lasted till three centuries. It's clear a messed up WP:SYNTH article. The sources are poorly cited, some of the non RS'es were being dealt with but even RS'es do not testify and established the WP:GNG & WP:SIGCOV of "Arab conquest of Kaikan (658-9th century)" Garudam ^Talk! 09:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I cannot find any evidence that "Kaikan" is actually a place! Delete. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Historical incident; Also cited in article (see reference 1) and other references too. See through It mentions of war between kaikan & arabs.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It barely has three lines of passing mention. Unironically, I do not find this event relevant for a definite period of time, say, three centuries. It fails SIGCOV and is full of SYNTH mess; a standalone article is not warranted for this topic. Perhaps it could be merged into a related parent article at best. Garudam ^Talk! 20:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ex Muslim Sahil

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Only one citation in India Today is good, in my view. Looking at other, Dainik Bhaskar is just an Interview which doesn't contribute to Notability. Rest 2, one of Delhi Magazine and another of TheSportsGrail are not enough to prove Notability. TheChronikler7 (talk) 18:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Television, Islam, and India. TheChronikler7 (talk) 18:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The subject fails to meet WP:GNG as no WP:SIGCOV sources were found. While the India Today article provides some information about this YouTuber, it is insufficient to justify a stand-alone article. Multiple in-depth articles from independent, reliable sources are required. At present, the subject does not meet notability guidlines. GrabUp - Talk 18:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Refs 1, 2, and 5 appear to be non-trivial independent RS'es. Above !voter misstates the GNG. Jclemens (talk) 19:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jclemens: The 2nd source, Delhi-Magazine, is an interview filled with quotes from the subject. I really don’t understand how one can label this source as independent and also state above voter misstates when labeling an interview as independent. Regarding the 3rd source, The SportsGrail, I really don’t think it’s a reliable source; it looks more like a blog. GrabUp - Talk 02:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An interview that is editorially overseen by a reputable source is sufficiently independent. Wikipedia's trend in the other direction--to deprecate all interviews--is wrong and I reject it. Jclemens (talk) 03:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to WP:INTERVIEW, interviews are WP:PRIMARY sources and do not count towards notability because they consist only of the subject’s statements. There is nothing in the article written by an editorial team—just sayings or quotes. Additionally, the article cites a Hindi interview by Dainik Bhaskar, which Delhi Magazine merely quoted, with no editorial input from Delhi Magazine. GrabUp - Talk 03:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've already said I disagree with the cited essay. Regardless there remain two sources, so GNG is met even if INTERVIEWS were a guideline or policy, which it's not. Jclemens (talk) 05:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep By the simple fact of being a Muslim against Islam you can maintain and improve. I added several important sources. Jinnllee90 (talk) 12:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC) strike sock-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV per the analysis by Jclemens.4meter4 (talk) 21:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The article includes a source from NewAgeIslam.com, which does not seem particularly reliable. It is authored by a staff reporter rather than a credible or identifiable individual. Another source from India Today appears more trustworthy and credible. Additionally, the article references some interviews, which qualify as primary sources (WP:PRIMARY) but lack sufficient corroboration. Beyond these, no other highly reliable sources are present. Baqi:) (talk) 13:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per WP:HEY. The article has been significantly improved since the nomination, I can see more RS'es that are sufficient to warrant a standalone article. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 19:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Sufficient Reliable Sources (RS) and Notability

I support keeping the article about Ex-Muslim Sahil as it meets the WP:NOTABILITY criteria. The article has been significantly improved, with the inclusion of multiple reliable sources (RS), making it a viable candidate for a standalone Wikipedia entry.

1. Multiple Reliable Sources: The references, such as those from India Today, Times of India, and other independent media sources (including Ref 1, 2, and 5), provide substantial coverage of Sahil's contributions and presence in media debates, specifically in relation to his views on Islam. These sources fulfill the General Notability Guideline (GNG), showing significant attention from independent entities.

2. Media Appearances and Coverage: As seen in the HW News article, Sahil has appeared on major Indian news platforms, such as News Nation, discussing his transition from Islam and critical views of religious practices. His role in such public debates adds to his notability and supports the presence of coverage beyond personal social media channels.

3. Improvement and Editorial Oversight: The article's significant improvement, with better coverage and more authoritative sources, showcases its merit for a standalone article. Per HistoryofAryavart, the inclusion of these diverse sources adds credibility to the article’s claim of notability.

4. Social Media Influence: Sahil's presence in media debates and on YouTube further solidifies his influence, demonstrating his role in shaping conversations about religion. The sources cited, including news outlets like India Today and The Times of India, are crucial in establishing his media presence and influence.

List of Hindustani Muslim Heroes

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Contested draft, not a neutral title, and entirely unsourced. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Islam, and India. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Title has been changed and references added. As there are a lot of names it will take some time to add all the references. All the names have wikipedia links that have references . Information written is taken from those verified wikipedia pages of those people. Paadripaadri (talk) 21:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your good faith efforts, but please don't move the article in the middle of a deletion discussion. When the discussion has concluded, if the article is kept, then it can be moved. Thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 10:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it was moved as that was the only way to fixed that title from a non-neutral “heroes” to a neutral “notable”

+ hes added sources for the people and linked them,

whats the issue now?

hes created that page for a community big in number yet for whom not much efforts like that have been undertaken in the public space, if he’s trying to help it and if he has linked sources and the title has been fixed whats the problem then? Goshua55 (talk) 15:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify until properly sourced. If it's sourced correctly then it should be at ~~List of notable Hindustani Muslims~~ and not List of Notable Hindustani Muslim from different periods. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 05:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that should be List of Hindustani Muslims. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 05:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

whats the issue ? after discussion with some of my friends i thought it would be better to name it as notable figures. If theres no problem according to you we should conclude this discussion and then i can change the title. As for the references i have already explained more references will be added but this is just a compilation of names references of the people are given on their own respective pages. Paadripaadri (talk) 12:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the links are red and so have no references. Even the people who have articles should have the reference in the list. Take a look at List of Canadian Inuit where almost all the names have a reference. It should have been done as a draft with the references added before moving to article space.

It will be up to an independent editor to close this discussion (not one of us) after a minimum of seven days. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 00:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Full of POV ridden mess, including infamous figures and labeling in a List of Heroes it's not like making list articles on controversial and infamous figures are prohibited but there should be different topic list for them. It clearly fails WP:NPOV and issue of WP:POVNAMING remains. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 22:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i have removed the "controversial" figures ,must have been confused mid way making the article went from history to notable modern day figures as for the neutral title that can only be changed after this discussion is concluded. Paadripaadri (talk) 00:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unsourced and POV ridden mess.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
are u even reading what the messages are above? this is a compilation of names that already have their wikipedia pages all the brief information given is from their own wikipedia pages and they have the sources. Ill go over it again and see if there is anymore to remove. Paadripaadri (talk) 13:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Pharaoh of the Wizards and HistoryofAryavart: the POV name could be fixed by a name change to something like List of Hindustani Muslims, as suggested by User:CambridgeBayWeather above. Would you support a "draftify" to Draft:List of Hindustani Muslims? Wikishovel (talk) 14:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 14:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why would i name it draft? just name it as List of Notable Hindustani Muslims

all of your concerns were dealt with and conclude this discussion Paadripaadri (talk) 16:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paadripaadri A draft would allow any issues to be corrected before it becomes an article again. And, for the record, I support a draft as well. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
alright lets change the title to a draft and correct and add references. Paadripaadri (talk) 06:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ma'ahad Muhammadi Lelaki

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Ong Kai Jin (talk) 15:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 November 22. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 16:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Keep - This is one of a string of nominations made minutes apart with exactly the same rationale. I do not believe a WP:BEFORE has been carried out. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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