User talk:Yomangani/Archive 4

Order of the Garter

Folks keep tweaking WP:LAYOUT; it continues to list the standard order of appendices as:

1. See also
2. Notes
3. References
4. Further reading
5. External links

but now says, "It is okay to change the sequence of these appendices, but the Notes and References sections should be next to each other." That's a relatively new addition, so I'll have to quit objecting on that basis. The order gives a preference for wikification of content; that is, See also was historically above the others because Wiki content was preferred to external content - it encouraged wikification of content and discouraged an external link farm. I still follow the suggested order for that reason, and on abandoned articles where there isn't an author who has a likely preference or reason for doing otherwise, it seems that we can go ahead and use the standard order. If you're working on O of G and prefer a different order, because of the new wording, I won't object :-) Sandy (Talk) 16:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, just noticed Joelito's change - thought I was losing my mind :-) I guess I'm a traditionalist - I like the standard order. Sandy (Talk) 16:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know

On 2 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Herefordshire Pomona, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 16:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Shark threat display

Hows this - Image:Shark_threat_display.png. chris_huh 11:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Campus 14

You approved the deletion of the article "Campus 14" yesterday (2nd nov) since no references had been provided, which i accept would normally be a valid reason. However only 14 hours had passed between the request for references and your deletion of the article. I think that if adequate time had been given (a few days at least) then references would have been found. For example, a quick google search revealed the following references:

A summary of the event from The Open Guide To Nottingham: http://nottingham.openguides.org/?Campus_14

Brief reference in an external guide to the university: http://www.unofficial-guides.com/guides/nottingham-social.html

Full description on answers.com (taken from the original wikipedia article): http://www.answers.com/topic/campus-14

The university's press page reporting that UK national newspaper The Mail On Sunday ran an article (3rd feb 02) concerning the banning of the bar crawl by the university: http://nottingham.ac.uk/public-affairs/media/press-up.phtml?menu=pressuparchive&sub=211

A reference to an attempt at the bar crawl by students from another UK university (Warwick) on the 8th of may 06: http://www.sunion.warwick.ac.uk/rag/public_html/index2.html

I would of course normally have put these on the discussion page, but in any case i believe that they, combined with previous arguments for keeping, show the relevance of the bar crawl outside of the university itself. In addition, at least 6000 first-year students arrive at the university each year and the vast majority will be referred to this article within the first week, it is such a significant part of university life at Nottingham and this is considered the most accurate and up-to-date resource on the subject. I hope this will encourage you to reconsider your decision and reinstate the article, or at the very least merge a summary of it into University Park Campus or Nottingham University, the latter of which already linked to this article in its "see also" section. Thank you. Danrhyn 15:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, if you could undelete it to my userspace that would be great. I'll get the references in asap and get it back online. Danrhyn 02:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that was a really useful article - why not leave it on there for longer so we could gather some references (it was already extremely accurate)

DYK

On 4 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article PDSA Gold Medal, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 00:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

On 4 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tom Hickathrift, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 11:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Did You Know?

On 4 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mail coach, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

On 5 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Splice the mainbrace, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 10:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

why?

can i ask why you reverted my contributions on garter?193.190.172.172 20:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Although they were all good images I thought it was already too crowded, so having 7 images in a column down one side and one on the left seemed overwhelming (and "Leopold I and his hat" didn't seem the best caption). Yomangani^talk 11:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alley Cats Strike Again

Hi! Regarding the above afd you closed; it was a bundled nomination for Alley Cats Strike Again as well as Alley Cats Strike Again! which is still blue-linked, so I am assuming you missed that part. Thanks.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know

On 7 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rouen duck, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 08:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my Talk page - I guess this means that I've made it now :-) (aeropagitica) 15:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reman Mythology

Can you copy what was in Reman Mythology to my user space? Thanks. -- Dragonfiend 18:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 7 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article shark threat display, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 18:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Harry McNeish

You may want to add to the Harry McNeish article from the following link: Harry McNeish. -- Jreferee 07:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• Something you may want to note in the article: McNish name is spelled on his headstone as McNeish,[1] an error that has been carried forward by others.-- Jreferee 15:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 10 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pitlochry fish ladder, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 22:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Horatio Nelson

Just curious why you reverted the removal of a vandal's addition of the totally irrelevant Nelson Mandela picture to the Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson page? Dabbler 03:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 12 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Monarch of the Glen (painting), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--LordAmeth 20:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

On November 13, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Harry McNish, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Many thanks again. Your RfA was well deserved...I still think that you are under-rated.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Yomangani is awarded the DYK medal for his meritorious contributions to new articles

.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Your liking of my comment

I am glad! :) - crz crztalk 17:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

London, maybe England

I have no interest in an edit war, but you haven't explained your objection to including "England" in the opening paragraph.

The Wikipedia:Guide_to_writing_better_articles says, in part,

Think of the reader

Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia. The people who read it have different backgrounds, education and worldview from you. Try to make your article accessible to as many of them as possible. The reader is probably reading the article to learn. It's quite possible the reader knows nothing at all about the subject: the article needs to explain it to them.

State the obvious

State facts which may be obvious to you, but are not necessarily obvious to the reader. Usually, such a statement will be in the first sentence or two of the article.

I recognize that most readers will assume that an article that only says "London" is about London, England. But how is the article diminshed by providing that clarification and providing a link to the country in which this London is located? Ground Zero | t 18:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

William Sledd

I don't believe you should have deleted the recently re-added William Sledd page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGIEYvBVy0 This video clearly shows the article and the megazine William is featured in, thus making him notable. I'm not sure if I was supposed to bring this up on your talk page, but I couldn't find a deletion review, so this seemed like the best option.--Tezzy149 20:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Victory gin

Victory gin redirects to Victory Gin which you closed the AfD debate for - could you delete that as well? Thanks. Robin Johnson (talk) 12:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wilcox-McCandlish law

Yes, I had a vested interest in that article, being the co-author of its subject. But I want to object to the deletion on several grounds from Wikipedia:Undeletion policy, etc.

I have not moved for an official undeletion via Wikipedia:Undeletion policy and Wikipedia:Deletion review at this point. Wikipedia:Deletion process says "If you disagree with a decision, please discuss it with that user", and Wikipedia:Undeletion policy reaffirms this with "Discuss the deletion in the first instance with the deleting administrator if you are concerned that a page may have been wrongly deleted." So, I am making a well-informed and good-faith effort to do this correctly.

The justification is lengthy, so I've posted it on my own talk page here, so as not to clutter your own talk page. Feel free to copy it over here if you like; I don't care where it is, just wanted to be considerate in your userspace. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 03:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the provisional undelete. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 17:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Another DYK

On 15 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Red Barn Murder, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 06:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Red Barn

An excellent article, well written and interesting. Bravo. Maustrauser 00:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Mount Tambora

Hi, remember of my request about copyediting of the article? Well, the article has been expanded greatly. It's on the FAC page now. Perhaps you could give some comments there. Thanks in advance. — Indon (reply) — 12:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen it ('read: watching your edits :-). I have answered your questions and made some changes. It's okay. Thanks a lot, really. The article was copyedited and re-copyedited several times back and forth, but I believe this is an evolution to a good article. — Indon (reply) — 16:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hallowieners

Question: Why was the debate closed with a result of Delete if the article was not deleted? Just curious. Wavy G 00:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thanks. Wavy G 01:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

ATT

It's funny. People want the same thing (some people do) but as SV says above you "it's just (just!) the words". I don't want to introduce specific topics either (do note that wording was only meant to be suggestive--the examples can be changed) and that's what I've been harping about. But I do want to introduce the aspects of a topic/topic itself distinction. Not "with topics of this sort I can use these sources" but "in this context on topics of this sort I can use these sources." That was the principal point of the suggestion. Marskell 11:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Recent AFD

It seems someone has chosen to bypass the result of the AFD process and re-create Unitarian Jihad as a redirect. Just thought you might like to know. ... Kenosis 14:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Um how did you make your discussion page so big (i am new) thanks --"P-Machine" 07:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 18 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Friendly Floatees, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 01:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Sven Co-op on deletion review

The guidelines on the deletion review page recommended that I put this on your talk page: An editor has asked for a deletion review of Sven Co-op. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. MarphyBlack 02:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

In light of your comment, I guess that it would be better to just create a new article. Is it possible to withdraw my deletion review? MarphyBlack 23:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I would greatly appreciate it if you could copy the old article to my userspace, as I believe that there's still useful material in it. I don't know how quickly I can recreate the article, but I don't believe time is an issue. Anyway, thank you for your time. MarphyBlack 01:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know

On 18 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nine Worthies of London, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 10:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

+1 DYK

On 19 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chubb detector lock, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 11:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

On November 21, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William King Gregory, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Yes, you are indeed underappreciated - the RfA scoreboard says it all! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Categories again

Hi Yomangani & Stefan, Now that I've finished all the shark articles I've come to the conclusion that the Order category is completely superfluous! I did not fully understand how cats worked. Is there any way that these could be removed mechanically using a bot? The logic would be to remove any category with "...formes" in it, for articles in the "Shark" category. Are we all agreed that the "Shark" cat is useful & should be kept?

Is there any progress with the "List of sharks" article? Cheers GrahamBould 08:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

AFD

Regarding the result of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ethnic_politics_of_Khuzestan I believe you've acted contrary to the consensus expressed at the AfD. 12 users voiced their opinion that the article should be "deleted" or "deleted and merged", compared to only 6 users who voiced their opinion that the article should "kept" or "kept and renamed". Please re-open the AfD and let another admin to review the results. --Mardavich 07:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Debate transferred to: Talk:Arabs_of_Khuzestan#Debate. Yomangani^talk 15:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Nicolas Grollier de Serviere

On 22 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nicolas Grollier de Serviere, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your hard work and support of DYK. It's a pleasure to read your articles on the main page -- Samir धर्म 08:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

On November 23, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cabo de Gata-Níjar Natural Park, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Many thanks once again!Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Cabo de Gata

Hi. I am positive about this area being the driest in Europe but, since I can't provide the citation, I asked for it. I think this assertion is pretty interesting in this article and should not be removed. Don't you think? Mountolive 03:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, since the driest place in the Iberian peninsula is in the lead, that is why I think the driest place in Europe should be next to that one claim, it would look more consistent. I agree in removing the "allegedly" but I guess a should remain anyway, ha?

As for the last sighting...well, I remember one individual living in Chafarinas in the '80s, after that, from time to time, a wandering individual may appear in the Canary islands from their Mauritanian colony in Cabo Blanco (the only one remaining and critical to the species), but not as a breeder.

if we want to be precise, some "as a breeder" reference should be done on the seal info: as I said, you may sight wandering individuals every now and then (not frequently anyway) but these disappear in a matter of days or weeks and, actually, those which matter are the breeding individuals, which haven't occurred in Spain ever since the '60s (as the species entered its current very endangered status). Would you please make this reference? I'm asking because I actually trust your wording better than my own :) Mountolive 03:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

mhh..finally I did it myself: feel free to put it some other way, if you think is necessary. Thanks! Mountolive 05:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Also I thought that making a mention to its partial "underwater" character is interesting. I mean, the valuable areas in the Marine tract are obviously under the water, not on the surface: it means the reefs and the wildlife inhabitting those.Mountolive 03:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a reference I found after a fast google search: http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/1702/monjesp.htm it doesn't look very "scientific" and is in Spanish, still, the info is consistent with what I knew and rings true to me: it says that the last group of monk seals living in the Cabo de Gata was there in the '60s, until 1965.

By the way: I just noticed that you created the article! congratulations, is a nice one. Mountolive 04:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

	You are such a kind person that responded to me when I asked your help to copyedit the Mount Tambora article. Also thanks for your support at the article's FAC entry. It is now featured.
	— Indon (reply) — 10:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Names scientific and common

My problem was I started with dinosaurs and some plants, very few of which had well-recognised common names. Most fungi don't have well-recognised common names and the ones that do already have pages. Someone already flipped my Currawong pages to common rather than scientific pages and thats OK. If someone wants to do it they can do it pretty seamlessly then I'm not too fussed :)Cas Liber 19:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Aha, I notice'd you'd seen the Plums & Custard - (now that would look funny as the art title. I dont' think having the common name here would be too helpful as the only people who would call it are mushroom hunters who'd use the scientific name anyway. I hadn't heard the common name until recently but new this mushroom from books since I was a kid.cheers.Cas Liber 19:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

wanna challenge?

Now here's a challenge......ain't no fungus on the FA list....I put some potential candidates on the Wikiproject fungi page...Cas Liber 19:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, never noticed the truffle page before - needs a bunch of inline refs....will ruminate on this one for a bit....Cas Liber 00:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually I think you're right about truffle being the frontrunner, I find Fly agaric doesn't quite gel together nicely and I am not sure why. Sometimes when getting an article together for FAC they seem to develop awry. Personally I'd sort of prefer to do a mushroom (Button mushroom looks a real tall order currently, while Cep is a bit short and I don't see how much more could be added - though I think it'd be pretty interesting to do and there are some great pix to go with it), but truffle would be a good start. I have just played with it a bit now. Cas Liber 00:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

El Greco

Hi! How are you? Which FARC are you saving now?!

I want your help and, most importantly, your feedback.

I was rewriting for about 2 months (?) El Greco and this is definiteky going to be my next FAC. The problem is that I left the article alone for 2-3 weeks, because I was occupied with saving Greek mythology. This is not a battle I've yet won, but I think I'll have more time now to work on El Greco.

The article has gone through 2 peer-reviews, whose suggestions I've implemented, and has been copyedited by users Plange, Ganymead and Celithemis. It is improved after all these efforts, but I'd like to have your opinion, and possibly a review or even better an additiona copy-editing.

I need an incentive to get once again involved in the article with my previous passion, and I believe that you are the right person to go through the article and point out its deficiencies. I'll be grateful for any contributions of yours!

Thanks in advance!--Yannismarou 20:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia collaboration

Hi Yomangani/Archive 4! It's the last few days of the Garuda Indonesia collaboration. Please contribute!!!

Also, could you please vote for the next fortnight's collaboration? Please vote down the bottom of this page. The collab for the fortnight will be decided this Sunday 26th (or Monday at the latest). By the way, we could also chose Garuda Indonesia for another week.

So please visit and help choose the next article. Any questions/comments, please let me know. I'd love to hear from you particularly if you have any good suggestions! :-) --Merbabu 10:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK!

On 25 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article New Guinean Quoll, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Aksi_great (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

London

There are different styles for titles and intros. Let's not confuse the two. The London article is not called "London, England" because most readers searching for "London" are looking for the one in England, so Wikipedia policy is name the article that way. That doesn't mean that other articles shouldn't clarify which London they are referring to in the intro. Indeed, the London article does clarify that in the first sentence. That is a precedent that makes much more sense to follow. I still see no reason not to spell it out in the article. It provides a clarification for the reader, and a more formal writing style for the article. Regards, Ground Zero | t 16:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Eye movement article

Thx for your assistance there. Tony 11:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hereditary Peer

"I've had trouble tracking down information on the details of writs of summons and letters patent which comprises a good portion of the article"

What citations are you after exactly, a source for the text of the Writ of Summons? Alci12 19:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

By all means, I'm not experienced at the housekeeping tasks but I may well know the souces for some of the statements. The writs of summons are at [2] the writ's of acceleration at [3] the letters patent for creation of all titles and various other warrants and dissolutions of parliament at [4] Alci12 12:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Tazzie

Joelr31 might be another good person to preview Tazzie.

• Can you add Paddle to the References list? It's listed many times under citations, and I had to go searching for its main entry on the Citations list.
• Any ISBNs for the Reference books?
• Beginning of new paragraph, name "It": It was extinct on the Australian mainland thousands of years before European settlement of the continent,
• Expand the lead to hit on main points from each section ?
• Not sure why the "but": The modern Thylacine first appeared about 4 million years ago, but since the early 1990s, at least seven fossil species have been uncovered at Riversleigh, part of Lawn Hill National Park in north-west Queensland.
• Not sure - is Indigenous capitalized in this context? First contact with the Thylacine was made by the Indigenous peoples of Australia.
• Should Hyena be capped here (really not sure - this is not my territory) I noticed foxes and hyenas aren't capitalized ? Dingos is later capped - not sure what convention is, but should be consistent? Many European settlers drew direct comparisons with the Hyena,
• A picture of the footprint would be cool.
• Not sure when "intially" is/was here: Initially it was believed to have possessed an acute sense of smell which enabled it to track prey,[21] but an analysis of its brain structure revealed that its olfactory bulbs were not well developed.
• This sentence needs fixing - not sure how: Occasionally it was observed execute a bipedal hop, in a similar fashion to a kangaroo
• Something's wrong with the punctuation here, but I wasn't sure which it meant to be: Captive specimens survived up to 9 years, in the wild their life expectancy is estimated to have been 5 to 7 years.
• Redundant? Prey included kangaroos, wallabies, potaroos, birds and various small animals such as wombats and possums.
• Redundancy ? The reason for the extinction is attributed to competition from indigenous humans and invasive Dingos. (Animal names capitalized or not?)
• Last known footage was Benjamin? Pls double-check.
• Something is happening here with a switch in tense, not sure how to fix: Searches by Dr. Eric Guiler and David Fleay in the north-west of Tasmania found footprints and scats that may have belonged to the animal and heard vocalisations matching the description of those of the Thylacine, as well as collecting anecdotal evidence from people reported to have sighted the animal.

As interesting as Platypus! Sandy (Talk) 23:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

Thanks!

Thanks for your help in coming up with a nom for Thomas Livingston. It's mighty hard work trying to convince tired brain-cells to come up with something more interesting than "..that Thomas Livingston was a guy who did something, somewhere." :) GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 10:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

On 28 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Falls of Bruar, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

On December 5, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tasmania Parks and Wildlife Service, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your many contributions! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Ian Thorpe

Hi Yomangani. I saw that you edited this article. I was wondering if you were skillful with FAC criterion 1a, because I am having difficulty living up the standards, and Tony asked me to look for a fresh set of eyes. I was wondering if you could help me? Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

---

I've started copyediting it. I don't want to bring this up on FAC, but while I feel it is interesting and comprehensive, I think it is too long to do itself justice. You could break some of the sections out into their own articles and some detail could just be removed. For instance, the section on his early life has a potted biography of his father:

Thorpe's father, Ken, was a promising cricketer at junior level, representing Bankstown cricket club in Sydney's grade competition. Ken achieved selection for Bankstown before his teammates Len Pascoe and Jeff Thomson, who became long serving members of the Australian cricket team. A talented batsman, he once topped the season's batting averages in the latter stages of his career ahead of former Australian captain Bob Simpson. However, paternal pressure from Ken's father Cecil detracted from his enjoyment, and Ken walked away from the sport at age 26.

I'd normally recommend just dumping the whole section, but it has relevance to later statements. However it could be cut back:

Thorpe's father, Ken, was a promising cricketer at junior level, but paternal pressure detracted from his enjoyment and he walked away from the sport aged 26.

Anyway, I'll go on with copyediting as is, although it may take a while to get through it. Cheers, Yomangani^talk 12:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'm not as easily bored as most people, given my statistical pedantry. Having said that the GA reviewer failed mine because he deemed it to be boring. And of course, having written so much of it, I'm not inclined to destroy content, although it would seem unusual and perhaps be viewed as cruft if I wrote forks for a bits of a sportsmen. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Some queries

This bit seems to be contradictory. They didn't reclaim their record, but lowered the world record? Or, is the individual world record something else? :

Although unable to reclaim the individual world record, Thorpe, Klim, Kirby and Todd Pearson lowered their world record to 7 min 07.05 s

Yes, the first swimmer, in this case Thorpe, has a standing start, so if he completes his leg faster than the individual 200m world record, then he breaks that officially. In this case he did 1.46.00 not < the 1.45.35 needed, so he didn't break it. But the overall team was faster than their WR from the previous year. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

This isn't explained well. I assume you mean he stopped at the WTC, and the attack took place in between the time he left and returned to the hotel?:

He narrowly escaped death there on September 11, 2001, when he had stopped at the World Trade Center on his morning jog before returning to his hotel. By that time the September 11 terrorist attacks had been perpetrated, with Thorpe fortunate to escape.

Yes, it was blown up on his way back to the hotel. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I've also put a couple of queries in the edit summaries where I've change things that I'm not 100% sure of, and replaced "his sister's future brother-in-law" with "relation", as I couldn't work out who that would be (sounds a bit like "my mother's brother's father's wife's daughter's son"...hey wait, that's me!). Cheers, Yomangani^talk 15:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the younger brother of Christina Thorpe's husband was the cancer victim. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, thanks for your work. It's obvious that as a person who follows this stuff a bit, the meaning of some things, while implicit to me, can be a bit knotty. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello Yomangani. Thanks for your help in bringing it to FA standard. As for taking a rest, I have a certain election to attend to...Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Henry Burrell

Love the article - and the phrase 'portable platypusary' has had me quietly chuckling for most of the afternoon ... 86.133.245.210 16:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I rather liked that too. Yomangani^talk 16:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

In fact, love the photo too. Something about the combination of the raincoat, hat and stance ... (and oops, forgot to sign in last time - here's the real me) Jasper33 16:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoah! I go out into the cold and wet gloom to collect my knackered car from the mechanics, and come back to find wondrous things. Thanks so much for the pic of old KAC Creswell and the info box. Makes it look like a proper article now! (The dark arts of pic sourcing and adding are quite beyond me). And if Brook Watson and that fab shark painting were on your to do list, don't let me stop you - I'm slow and I'm sure you'll do a much faster and better job. Just how many featured articles have you spawned??? Jasper33 18:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

More than happy to look at thylacine - I'll get on it first thing tomorrow. Supper calls ...Jasper33 19:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Request for peer review

I am currently a little bust grading some end-of-semester papers. I will review the article sometime tomorrow. Joelito (talk) 21:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Sad note

Just wanted to make sure you've seen User:Marskell. Sandy (Talk) 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Order of the Garter

Thanks for asking Yomangani. I'd like to finish working on Minnesota before I look at this one, so I hope it's not urgent. (I should note that I carry various superstitions about WP:FA*, so if I look at the above, it will be without regard to what's "going on" outside the article. If you'd prefer a reviewer who will also be engaged in the FAR/C process—taking the commentary into account—I'll have no hard feelings, and would be happy to assist with a different article when needed.) –Outriggr § 04:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I've begun reviewing this article. You might want to take a look and see if I'm on the right track. Not being familiar with the affectations of this subject area, some wording changes may have unintended consequences! Capitalization, "membership of"->"membership in", reasonable synonyms for "being granted membership"... all come to mind. Outriggr, Gentleman Usher of the Black Editing Rod 05:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thylacine

First up - congratulations Yomangani on a seriously impressive article. Only a couple of points:

• Perhaps something on the etymology of 'Thylacine' and who first used the name?
• convergent evolution is linked twice in the text
• Three refs to the Aboriginal engravings and rock art in the text have whetted my appetite: any chance of a pic? Mind you, the article is so lavishly illustrated I wonder if there's room for any more.
• The description section mentions preserved pup specimens, fossil records, skins - surely there are (non-fossil) skeletons as well? Or did they always chuck them away when preparing the skins? A later pic caption mentions analysis of the Thylacine skeleton - was this a fossil skeleton?
• Present tense in the Ecology and Behaviour section, 2nd sentence - 'the Thylacine is naturally nocturnal' (Interesting fact, as I'd always understood [as a non-biologist/ecologist interested punter] that nocturnal animals had big eyes, whereas the poor old Thylacine's look rather piggy!)
• Mummified carcass in the cave - I assume it was mummified through natural dessication rather than human agency? The linked article isn't v forthcoming on that
• surely Benjamin was the last known wild Thylacine rather than the one shot by Wilf Batty? I think I know what you're getting at in this section, as Benjamin was a wild-born captive T rather than fully wild - perhaps rephrase this section? It just reads a little oddly.

Benjamin was the last known Thylacine to die in captivity - none were born in captivity --Mutley 11:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

One was born in capitivity, but I think the problem with the article before was it claimed that the last known wild Thylacine was shot in 1930, when Benjamin wasn't captured until 1933 making it the last known wild Thylacine albeit later capitive. Yomangani^talk 13:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Other stuff - 290cm nose to tail - bloody hell! And I can't imagine you'd forget being bitten on the arse by a Thylacine in a hurry. Hope this all makes sense and I look forward to seeing Thylacine on the front page. Jasper33 08:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad to help. My Shorter OED gives the etymology of Thylacine as from the Greek θύλακος (pouch) and the Latin suffix -inus (-ine): interesting that the genus name has a mix of Greek and Latin nomenclature, as well as the specific name that was altered for just such a reason! The dictionary (1st ed 1933 - I've got the 1950 2 vol ed, ever up-to-the-minute, me) says 'The native Tasmanian 'wolf' or 'zebra-wolf' ... the largest of exisiting carnivorous marsupials (now very scarce)' Bit of a sad understatement, that. Jasper33 12:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Would it be accurate to call this "Largest known Carnivorous marsupial in modern times"?--Mutley 11:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I did consider adding that to the lead at one point, but I considered "modern times" would probably demand explanation. If we date to the extinction of larger species it is a bit convenient, messing about with Holocene etc. a bit messy, and saying "of the last thousand years" or something sounds arbitrary. If you can think of a non-controversial, non-clunky way of adding it, be my guest. Yomangani^talk 13:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Just wondering if you came across 'zebra-wolf' anywhere else in your research - and if so, do you reckon it could be added to the list of synonyms for the Thylacine at the start of the article? Jasper33 13:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Note (a): good grief! Is there any animal it hasn't been named after? Jasper33 08:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hassle away! By the way - can anyone support your/Thylacine nomination on FAC or is it just for admins? (Haven't yet found my way round how the most of Wikipedia works) Jasper33 08:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't mean to start an argument but Yomangani didn't write this article from scratch but has done an impressive rewrite however.--Mutley 11:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Have I claimed I wrote it from scratch somewhere? I have written certain sections more or less from scratch and every section has had a copyedit at the very least, but if I've claimed I wrote the whole article from nothing that was by mistake and I'll correct the statement. Yomangani^talk 13:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Chess?

Do you play Chess? I don't, but there has been a lot of effort to clean this one up, so if you're interested, I think the FA could be saved with very little effort. Sandy (Talk) 15:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

On 30 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Henry Burrell, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)