Talk:Berserk (manga)

Blackswordsman/Conviction Arcs

Theres a line that reads: "His apathy for the refugees, along with his endless Inquisitions and executions, prompt many to form a heretical cult, one which the now child-like Casca." Should that say "one which the now child-like Casca is a member of."? Or something along those lines? Im not familiar with the story, but the original sentence seems incomplete.

Conclusion?

Why does this wikipedia article sound like the story has concluded? As far as I know (and is indicated) the story is still ongoing. The lat part in the Millennium Falcon section states that 'mythological creatures begin to appear in the real world.' Didn't this happen after the first Eclipse anyway? Additionally the grammar and writing style are atrocious in this section compared to others, and overall, it's very vague and ambiguous. For instance, it states "..[sic]the outcome is unknown." It then goes on to describe the aftermath in a completely discontinuous manner. Someone please clean that up; I would but I don't know this far into the storyline.

Behelit section I removed

I removed the following section. It goes into too much detail, and the information can be found in the appropriate articles. But here it is anyways. Perhaps sections of this can be merged somewhere else.

Behelit A Behelit is a small, egg-like oval object, with a set of human facial features scattered on its surface—giving the thing a rather disconcerting appearance. In fact, reference is often made in the story to the fact that the Behelit looks to be a living thing, and it emits a certain aura of unspecified dread. On occasion, it seems as though one of the Behelit's eyes opens and stares at the examiner, though this is usually quickly disregarded as merely an illusion.

In the anime series, two types of Behelits are expressly shown, one of which is more significant: It is the crimson Behelit owned by Griffith, leader of the Band of the Hawk. It is also called the Egg of the Conqueror or Egg of the King, and was given to Griffith when he was a child by an old fortune teller. It is believed that any one possessing this Behelit is destined to someday rule the world, and as this is very much in line with Griffith's ambition, he continues to hold onto it. The other type of Behelits are more common, and hold less power. Summoning the power of a Behelit is analogous to making a pact with the "God Hand" for immortality and monstrous strength. One offers their own flesh and blood (and/or the flesh and blood of others close to them) for that power. The Crimson Behelit, however, falls upon the one destined to be "King."

The word probably comes from the Syriac word "Beherit", a Great Duke of Hell — the letter r turning into the letter l is a frequently made mistake in localization.

Purpose The Behelit is actually a key used by mankind to summon the God Hand, a group of immensely powerful angels (or demons), themselves the servants of a dark God that governs the Berserk universe. A Behelit is not truly found or kept by someone, rather it finds its way to the one fated to possess it through the manipulation of causality, and tempts the person with the opportunity to be free of their pitiful situation and have their innermost desire realized.

The Behelit Griffith found reached him, for it was his fate to become a new member of the God Hand. In this regard, his Behelit was also unique, for it was meant to be used by the one new mortal to transcend and become a member of the God Hand. The other Behelits seen in Berserk are minor compared to Griffith's: meant to transform the one who possessed it at the right time into Apostles. Apostles, which are humans who have offered their most precious possessions in exchange to escape their horrendous fate, can transform into hideous creatures (a bizarre manifestation of their ego) and bow down to the God Hand, though there are a few exceptions in the manga.

The Dream and The Sacrifice In all cases, the ritual involved with the creation of a new Apostle or a new addition to the God Hand, happen under the same circumstances. The mortal possessing the Behelit must feel an intense desire to be free of their ill-stricken situation prompted by the manipulation of causality that created this scenario. This in turn "awakens" the Behelit (either by being nearby or through blood contact), the human features rearrange themselves into a face: the eyes open and bleed, and the mouth opens to scream. The God Hand hears and comes, opening a rift to their dimension and invites the mortal into their fold; tempting him or her with supernatural power and to be rid of their dire circumstance in return for a sacrifice.

In order to properly complete the ceremony, the mortal must agree to sacrifice something (or someone) infinitely precious to him or her. Only in such a case, the members of God Hand explain, will a high enough price be paid for a mortal to receive the chance to having their dream realized. Generally, the sacrifice will be family, friends, loved ones, or loyal followers. Normally, the one possessing the Behelit wouldn't sacrifice their loved ones, but will when the Behelit is in the bearer's hand at the right time. That usually happens when the person is under such emotional distress, he or she will give up anything to escape it. The sacrifice will then be devoured by the denizens of hell while the one who summoned the God Hand is reborn as an Apostle with a monstrous new form and abilities to match. Amazingly enough, some apostles are able to maintain at least one remnant of their former humanity despite their transformation such as the Count, who refused to sacrifice his daughter in exchange for the God Hand restoring his former demonic power.

The Brand of Sacrifice Those marked for sacrifice are branded with the God Hand's Brand of Sacrifice, a laceration marked into their skin, which bleeds and hurts the victim when in the presence of a demon or demigod. As part of the ceremony, the God Hand calls forth innumerable Apostles to feast upon the sacrificial offering. None are meant to survive the ritual, but any that do are forever branded, and wherever they may go, they will never know true peace again, as, when night falls, local spirits attempt to overwhelm and reclaim the branded as one of their own.

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Band of the Falcon, not Band of the Hawk

Author of Berserk, Kentaro Miura, said hat when he called Griffith's band "Taka no Dan", he had Millenium Falcon (from Star Wars) in mind. "Taka" meaning hawk and falcon interchangeably in Japanese. Falllant (talk) 05:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

The article uses the name given by the official English language publisher of the series. - Xexerss (talk) 06:06, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay, the creator of the manga meant it differently, my guess would be that his intentions and interpretations weigh more heavily than translations. Falllant (talk) 06:19, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

I concede my point of changing it from hawk to falcon which I hastily did multiple times thinking it didn't save correctly, I thought I did something wrong there(not correctly changing and saving the changes, not realizing somebody was reverting my changes), I wasn't trying to bruteforce my edit into the article I made another mistake though which is editing without providing a source. I understand that using a non-official translation which is widely used by the English Manga, official video games etc. would be confusing and not helpful. I still want to add my source which I neglected to mention before. I'm sorry for my rude language, I would be happy if Xexerss or somebody else might add that to my talk page if they feel like it is warranted. I'm sorry.

Source for Hawk/Falcon is a letter from the fan-site skullnight.net to Miura, they wrote a letter with various questions and got an answer back. here are some excerpts

"Thank you for your support of Berserk. I’m transferring you Miura Kentarou's answers to your questions. This letter is written in the easiest possible form of Japanese, but I’m worried that it might not be understood well. I should let you know that all the answers are based on the recent episodes published in Young Animal. I’ve forwarded all his answers to you, though it took a little time.[...]

Q2: Regarding the kanji "Taka," do you intend that to be Falcon or Hawk? Was there ever a conscious change in its usage, such as after Griffith's reincarnation, or has it always been "falcon" to you?

“Falcon” or “Hawk”, both mean [鷹] in Japanese. In some dictionaries, “Falcon ” is translated as [隼(はやぶさ)] but there’s almost no difference. I used "Falcon" from the great name of the “Millennium Falcon" ship in Star Wars. [...] It’s very rare for Miura to answer this kind of questions. It would be good if you could think of it as his service for foreign fans like you. And also please keep in mind we can’t tell you things for sure about future developments that haven’t been scripted yet. We’ll keep doing our best to meet your expectations for Berserk. Thank you for your devotion to the manga. I wish you happiness and health. Shimada Akira, editing department, Young Animal

Again I want to reiterate that I am not posting this to get it changed again, other people can decide that and edit it if they want to. I made my account and wanted to change something haphazardly for which I was rightfully scolded. Please excuse my behaviour.Falllant (talk) 02:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not involved in this, but I am going to say that you don't need to be too hard on yourself. You made a mistake, which every user on this website has many times. Anyway, if you want to continue editing, your contributions will be welcomed. Link20XX (talk) 02:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Fallant: I'm very aware that Miura called it the "Band of the Falcon" after the Millennium Falcon. However, most reliable websites refer to the group by the name used by the official English translation of Dark Horse, and we prioritize the official translation before anything else, that was the main reason why it was kept as it is. But nevermind, as Link20XX said, you don't need to be too hard on yourself. It's clear that it was a good faith edit, without malice. - Xexerss (talk) 02:32, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Spelling mistake

“Guts escapes after saving Farnese from specters, returning to an ailing Godo while leaving that Casca wandered off.” It says “leaving” should say “learning”. 2600:4040:A908:8600:38B6:906D:F899:5209 (talk) 11:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)