Rose Engine-MDF
Rose Engine-MDF
Jon Magill
v6 – 2/27/07
This article is aimed at those people who have been initially intrigued with ornamental turning and want to
give it a try but found the barriers to getting started too intimidating. If you have watched a demo at a past
symposium, or perhaps read an old article with interest, but quickly lost enthusiasm after digging a little
deeper and realizing how difficult or expensive it is to find, purchase and restore an antique ornamental
lathe, then this may be the project for you. This article presents a very simple design for a rose engine
lathe which is capable of doing high quality work, yet is easy to build in a home workshop.
The Design
There have been countless designs for rose engine lathes and there are many ways to make a rose en-
gine. Likewise, there are an almost infinite number of possibilities for features that can be included when
designing or building a rose engine. For the purpose of this article, the focus is on a simple design, a be-
ginner’s lathe to gain experience on. That is not to say that this lathe is limited in capabilities. This design
is simple yet very capable. It has also been designed to allow adding optional features to it. A future arti-
cle will describe some advanced features to add on to the lathe and ideas for where to go once you have
gained some experience using your first rose engine.
There are very few critical dimensions in the design of this lathe. Almost anything can be changed to suit
your own needs, or for experimental purposes. But before you start experimenting, because the lathe is
so easy to build, you should build one as close to these plans as possible before attempting to branch
out. Once you have used the lathe and understand how it works, there is plenty of opportunity to experi-
ment.
Instructions for Building the MDF Rose Engine
Note: These plans are designed around assembly techniques using biscuits or dowels and Gorilla Glue.
The plans also make extensive use of tapped holes in the MDF. One advantage of using MDF is that
holes can be drilled and tapped, then with a little thin CA glue added to the threads to harden them, they
can be re-tapped and used for many light-use applications. This technique was used extensively on this
lathe project for components that needed to be assembled and disassembled during prototyping. Many
places where screws are called out, you can use this technique with 1/4”-20 bolts or screws.
Tools required: Forstner bits, brad point bits, drill press, router & bits, saber saw & blades, table saw with
regular and dado blades, lathe, biscuit joiner or doweling jig, taps for 1/4”-20 and 3/8”-16, screw driver,
Allen wrenches
Supplies required: biscuits or dowels, Gorilla glue, thin CA glue, finish and finishing supplies
• From half sheet of 3/4” MDF, follow the Rough Shape Cutting Plan sequence of 9 cuts to cut out all 10
parts. It will be helpful to mark the good cut edges lightly with a pencil so that you can reference those
against the saw fence for the next cuts.
• Mark each piece as you cut it with the letter designation on the drawing (A – J). This will help minimize
confusion as you proceed.
• Now using the Final Sizes Cutting Plan, rip and cut each of the pieces to their final widths and then
lengths, except H5 & H6, whose lengths should be cut to fit. Again, you should label the pieces as you
go to avoid confusion (H1, B1, etc.). Try to cut all of the same-dimension pieces at one time so as not to
change the saw fence position when trying to make matching parts. E.g. rip all of the 6” wide base parts
as one operation so that they are all exactly the same width, then cut them to length.
• Rip H3, H4, H5 & H6 to width at the same time, but wait and cut H5 & H6 to length by dry-fitting and
marking for the cut. This will make it easier to get the edges flush all the way around the headstock box.
• Drill the headstock holes on the vertical centerline of the two end pieces, H3 & H4. For best accuracy,
set up a fence on the drill press, mark one edge of each piece,
and reference that against the fence.
• Drill the spindle bushing holes — Measure your bushings and drill
a hole in each of the headstock end pieces, H3 & H4. A typical
bushing for a 1” shaft will need a 1-3/8” Forstner bit. Drill the
holes 2-1/8” down from the top edge on the vertical centerline.
• Drill the pivot bolt holes — Use a 5/16” brad point drill bit to drill a
hole in each of the headstock end pieces, H3 & H4. The pivot
holes are 3/8” up from the bottom edge and also on the vertical
centerline of the pieces. Measure across the head of your pivot
bolts and counter-bore a hole about 1/8” deep to allow installing
the pivot bolts nearly flush. It may be more convenient to counter-
bore after gluing.
• Drill the holes for the pivots in base — The pivot hole centers are
located 1-3/4” up from the bottom edges and 3” in from the back edges of B3 & B4. Orient and mark the
two faces that will be towards the headstock after gluing and drill from those faces as follows:
• First counter-bore from what will be the inside face of B3 for the shoulder of the fixed pivot/pulley
shaft, 1-1/2” diameter x 1/8” deep. Then drill through with a 3/4” Forstner bit.
• Use a 7/64” drill to drill three equally spaced holes, 5/8” deep, just outside the counter-bore for the
fixed pivot to later secure
the pivot in place with three
#10x5/8” screws.
• Before assembly it is much easier to cut the “windows” in the side pieces of the headstock, H1 & H2,
and the base pieces B6 & B8. Mark and drill the corners with 1/2” drill then cut from hole to hole with a
saber saw and/or use a router to clean up the edges.
• Headstock windows are 6-1/2” wide and 5” high. They are 1-1/2” from the sides and down 1-1/2”
from the top edge.
• Base windows are 12-1/4” wide and 3” high. Centered on B8 and 1-1/2” from one end of B6.
4. Glue-Up of Headstock and Base
• Mark and cut biscuit slots (or drill for dowels) to assemble the base. Dry-fit and when satisfied apply
glue, assemble and clamp.
• Do not glue the top, B1 onto the base. It will be secured with screws later.
• From the leftover MDF scraps, rip two pieces 10-1/2” long by 2-1/2” wide to glue onto B3 to support the
hand crank. Align the two pieces flush with the top and front edges of B3. Trim to fit then glue and
clamp.
Turn hand crank pulley — Select a piece of very dense wood or other material that will resist splitting
when drilled and tapped for a set screw. Finished size is 1-1/2” long by 1-5/8” diameter, with a groove that
has a 1-1/2” diameter at its bottom. The groove should be centered centered 1-1/4” from the end. Tap a
hole in the side of the pulley for a 1/4”-20 set screw. Apply thin CA glue to the threads and then re-tap by
hand when the glue has dried.
Centering block/Fading Wedge — For many operations you will need to be able to lock the headstock in a
vertically-centered position. In order to do this most easily, make a block that can be dropped into the
space between the far side of the headstock and the base. With the block in place behind the headstock,
when a wedge-shaped block is dropped in the space on the operator side of the headstock, it will be
locked in place. The rear block can be an “L” shaped block whose thickness matches your gap, probably
3/8” thick. The other leg of the “L” serves as a handle to pull out the block and to keep it from falling into
the slot. If you make the wedge for the front with a slot along its length, and attach it to the headstock with
a thumbscrew, that will provide the simplest form of a “fading stop,” allowing the wedge to slide up and
down and be secured in place by the thumbscrew. Alternatively, a threaded fading stop can be made with
Bungee button — Turn a bungee button about 3/4” in diameter by 1/2” tall with
a 1/4” hole through its center. Cut a small groove in the center of the edge to
match the diameter of the bungee cord (1/8”). Attach the bungee button to the
outboard end of the headstock, on the vertical centerline and about 1/2” down
from the top edge, above the spindle.
Rubber support — Cut B9 to its final size and cut two 3/4” wide dados to
mount the two pieces of T-track per the drawing, one on each side of the sup-
port.
Rosette rubber — You need to make a rubber to rub on the rosette. If you made or bought rosettes made
of plastic, you can make a simple friction rubber. If you want to get fancier, or if you opted to make your
rosettes out of MDF, then you should make a rubber with a 3/8” bearing to run against the rosette. Either
way, you need to allow for a rib on the underside of the rubber to run in the slot of the T-track to maintain
alignment. Drill a clearance hole through the rubber for the 1/4”-20 x 1-1/2” bolt to hold it in the T-track
and allow adjustment.
Rosettes — You will need at least one rosette. Drawings have been provided for two shapes that will pro-
duce thousands of different patterns. You can make the rosettes on a router table by making a sled that
will hold the rosette blank, allow indexing of the blank, and has a provision for stops (in the table slot or
against the fence) to limit the depth of cut. The “Plain 4” rosette (and similar designs) can be made with a
sled that has an adjustable pivot point that can be set (to 4.57” radius for the Plain 4) and then swung
past the router bit. Start by making your blank with a 1” bore in the center and using a template to cut the
curved adjustment slots on a 5” circle with a 1/4” router bit. Your blanks can now be held and indexed on
the sled if it has the same hole pattern as the main pulley (see drawing). If the above is too daunting, an
alternate method to make a rosette is by laying out and drilling holes around the edge of a blank to create
a series of concave features resembling a chain sprocket. Be careful not to make your features too deep.
Shallow recesses are sufficient for the scale of turnings you will produce on the lathe. If you used MDF for
your rosettes, flood the edges of the rosette with thin CA glue to harden them.
Install pivot bolts in headstock — Re-drill pivot bolt holes (they are probably filled with the expanded glue)
in headstock deeper and tap for 3/8”-16 bolts. Counter-bore with a large enough bit to allow use of a
socket to install the bolts. Drill deep enough to allow bolts to be installed as close to flush as possible.
Spindle — Insert spindle bushings and spindle in headstock. Sand or file the holes slightly as needed.
Glue the bushings in place with Gorilla Glue using the spindle shaft to ensure alignment. Use caution to
not get glue on the spindle itself.
Install pivots in base — Install the fixed pivot from the inside of B3 and secure it in place with three
Attach the top — Clamp the top B1 in place then drill and counter-sink to attach it to the base. The design
allows for a 1” overhang on the front, right and back edges of top. Align the left edge with the outside of
B3.
Cut openings in top — Measure and layout on the top B1 to allow cutting out the opening for the head-
stock and the notched area around the hand crank. Once located, mark and drill the corners, cut from
corner to corner with a saber saw, then rout out the headstock opening and the notched area with a 1/2”
diameter flush trim, bottom bearing-type router bit.
Apply finish — Optionally, now is a good time to sand and finish as desired. Shellac, wipe-on polyure-
thane and paint are all simple finishes for MDF. You may want to apply a layer of laminate to the top of the
lathe to reduce friction later when using the lathe.
Install the headstock — First, fully retract the adjustable pivot screw. Next, lower the headstock into its
opening, leaning it towards the outboard end. Engage the point of the fixed pivot into the outboard pivot
bolt, then lower the other end into place while threading the adjustable pivot into its pivot bolt. Do not
over-tighten, apply enough pressure to allow rocking without any play.
Mount the hand crank — Using a 3/4” Forstner bit, drill a hole through B3 and the two added blocks for
the hand crank. Locate the hole 1-1/4” from the outer end and 1-1/4” down from the top edge of B3. Install
the hand crank on the shaft using a small amount of medium-strength threadlock compound (e.g. Lock-
tite). Install the hand crank with a shim washer on each side and then attach the hand crank pulley with its
set screw onto the shaft.
Rubber support assembly — Attach the two pieces of T-track to rubber support, one on each side, with
three #4 screws in each. Clamp the rubber support to the base making sure that there is enough clear-
ance for the headstock to rock through its full motion (approximately 1-3/8” back from the headstock
opening). Once you are sure of the location, attach the support to the base with 4 screws.
Main pulley flange — Attach the main pulley flange to the spindle. Make sure you have added a shim
washer between the shoulder of the spindle nose and one on the outboard end. Tighten the set screw
making sure it is on the flat of the spindle shaft.
Main pulley — Attach main pulley to main flange with four 1/4”-20 x 1” flat head screws.
Step-up pulley — Install the step-up pulley on the fixed pivot with a shim washer on each side. Make sure
the small diameter side is toward the headstock. Install the 3/4” shaft collar.
Make the belts — Wrap a piece of 1/4” round urethane belting around the main pulley and the small pul-
ley of the step-up pulley. Mark across the belt where the two parts meet and overlap. Carefully measure
and make a mark 1-1/4” shorter and cleanly cut the belt with a razor knife. Clamp a razor knife blade up-
right in a vise, then using a propane torch, heat the blade evenly until it is red hot. Hold the ends of the
belting on each side of the blade, and then bring them into contact with the hot blade to soften an melt the
ends, when soft and melted, slide the two ends off the blade such that they are aligned and pushed to-
gether when they come off the blade. Hold this joint tightly together until cool. Once cooled, sand the
bulging portion of the joint flush and smooth. Light touches on a stationary sander make this easy. Repeat
the process for the second belt. Mount the belts and test for correct tension. If you can hold the belt while
turning the hand crank and it slips, you will need to repeat the process and remove a 1/4” from the belt. If
you have to do this, cut an equal amount off the belt on each side of your joint.
You are almost done, but you need to have a cutter to do the work. In ornamental turning the cutter is
called a “cutting frame”. There exist a wide range of specialized cutting frames to achieve highly special-
ized cuts and techniques. As you are getting started, especially using a rose engine, the most common
cutting frame, and the one you will use most is called a “horizontal cutting frame”. It has a cutter which
spins around horizontally on a vertical spindle.
Many cutting frames accommodate profiled cutters, but again, because you are working with a rose en-
gine, this option is simplified for you. Almost all work done on a rose engine uses a cutter with a 60°
pointed cutter.
You can make your own cutting frames, buy one from the sources below, or start experimenting with
something as simple as a flex-shaft-type rotary tool.
Cutting frames are typically driven by one of two means; 1) an overhead drive or 2) individually motorized.
In traditional ornamental turning, where you would be likely to employ a range of cutters, cutting frames
and drilling spindles, the overhead drive allows switching between cutting frames while having only one
driving power source. Today, most people using overhead drives have one motor mounted on an over-
head crane-arm like arrangement. The motor is typically mounted vertically, shaft pointed up, at the back
end of the arm. In this position it acts as a weight to supply belt tension. The motor usually has a pulley
(or step pulley for speed variations) on its shaft. A small round belt (1/8” or 3 mm diameter) runs from the
motor, along the crane-arm, over two pulleys at the end, and down to the cutting frame on the lathe. Ob-
viously a motorized cutting frame has a motor directly attached to it. There are advantages and disadvan-
tages to each arrangement, but that topic is beyond the scope of these instructions.
Fred Armbruster
Ornamental Turning Works, Inc.
#1 Fieldstone Estates Road
York, ME 03909
(207) 363-2524
farmbrus@maine.rr.com
Last but not least you will need to find, build or adapt
some type of slide rest or compound for your lathe.
What you are looking for is a way to hold, and accu-
rately manipulate your cutting frame.
The least expensive and simplest option is to buy an X-
Y drill press vise. A 3” jaw import model should be able
to be found for $80 or less. This approach lets you grip
your cutting frame in the vise jaws, and provides X-Y
travels to move it around the work. You will need to
make some provision for adjusting your cutter to the
exact center height of the spindle, and this is easily
done on this type of vise by adding two tapered wedges
under the cutting frame to fine tune the height.
The next alternative is to buy one of the many types of imported X-Y tables available. These have the ad-
vantage that they have greater range of travels on the X
and Y axes, but they typically cost more, and you will need
to adapt some type of tool holder to hold your cutting
frame. Many of them may also be too tall to allow them to
work with the lathe (6” is the maximum height from the top
of the lathe to the centerline of the spindle if you follow the
design dimensions). You can make some changes to the
basic lathe design to allow using taller X-Y tables, but that
may not be worth the required effort.
Building Options
The final thing you may want to consider are some options like adding the electrical pre-wire if you opt for
a motorized cutting frame. Likewise you may want to incorporate an upright, at the left-rear corner of the
lathe, made of a 3/4” dowel or pipe, if you want to use a more traditional overhead drive.
Parts List
A complete parts kit, with all the machined parts, two rosettes and all the parts and fasteners, including
everything you need to build the lathe except for the MDF, biscuits and glue is available for $299. See last
page for information and contact.
If you prefer to buy the parts needed to build your lathe from scratch, here is the complete parts list. Be
sure to download the complete drawings for the dimensions, materials and specifications for the ma-
chined parts as well as the assembly drawings.
2 Set screw, 1/4”-20 x 1/4” 1 for main flange, 1 for hand crank
2 Shim washers, 1.005” bore, 0.125” thick MSC, For spindle 05408653
4 Shim washers, 0.755” bore, 0.125” thick MSC, 2 ea. step-up pulley & hand 05408299
crank
2 Knobs w/ 1/4”-20 threaded inserts MSC, For rubber & bungee block 07109366
Threaded-style fading stop See text, 3”-4” bolt, knob & pad
80” 1/4” round urethane belting MSC, Enough to make 2 belts 1032008
Join OTI, Ornamental Turners International. OTI is an AAW chapter which meets once every two years.
Meetings alternate between East coast, Central U.S. and West coast. The next meeting will be in the fall
of 2008 near St. Louis. A newsletter is sent quarterly. Information on joining is at:
http://www.turners.org/oti.htm
Unfortunately there are not many books, and certainly no contemporary books, on rose engine turning. If
you join OTI, a CD is available with past articles from the English group, The Society of Ornamental Turn-
ers or SOT. More importantly, that CD also has the only publication I know of written specifically on the
rose engine; The Rose Engine Lathe, Its History, Development, and Modern Use, by Norman Tweddle
(August 1950). Other books on ornamental turning barely mention rose engines as they were so rare.
This lathe was designed from the beginning to add on other features. As interest in the lathe demands,
further articles will be written describing the future upgrades to the lathe including rubbing multiple ro-
settes, pumping, accessory chucks, segment stops, curvilinear work and spherical sliderest adaptation.
There is no limit to what can be done in ornamental tuning and this lathe is a platform to begin your explo-
rations and experimentation.
Every effort has been made to be complete and accurate in creating these instructions and drawings. In
the event of errors, corrections, omissions, questions, additions or suggestions, please send them to the
address below.
As mentioned earlier, a complete parts kit, with all the machined parts, two rosettes and all the parts and
fasteners, including everything you need to build the lathe except for the MDF, biscuits and glue is avail-
able for $299 from:
Jon Magill
PO Box 800
Clinton, WA 98236
jon@magill.com
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