152.2016 EN- 13480 allowable stresses Sh Ilorgragh CADWorx & Analysis CAESAR II Online Video Training ONLINE Statics & Fundamentals Courses ee) ois ainlimited Access - $89.00 per month! You are not logged in. [Log In] Home Page » Forums » Analysis Solutions » CAESAR II » EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh Register User Forumtist Calendar Active Topics 7 FAQ Topic Options ¥| Who's Online [d EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh #16117 - 05/19/08 11:52 PM ||1 registered (Rajith TL), 12 Guests and 1 corne O ‘Spider online. Member Hi all, Key: Admin, Global Nos, Registered Can anybody explain me how the hot allowables in the mee a . 709/07 material database are calculated for the EN-13480 Posts: 385 | materials? March Loe: The If I do a calculation for Sh according to chapter 5 I get Netherlands | different (higher) values, so I want to double-check both ||S¥M Tu WTh F Sa me and CII. 12345 Thanks in advance for your answers. 6 7 8 9 101112 — 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 28 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 Ed Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh (Re: #18124 - 05/20/08 08:25 AM || 27 28 29 30 31 core) hard Ai Forum Stats ee rhs is 2 non-trivial, complex computation. These material || 10905 Members Member properties took months of work and involved collaboration || 13 Forums between a number of individuals. 14150 Topics Taos. 63687 Posts posts: 5544 | Specifically what material are you interested in, and what || go ce: Hou. 2 lax Online: eae usa” | SemPerature’ 12/06/09 11:14 aM Regards, Richard Ay Intergraph CAS Top @ Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh [Re: #18128 - 05/20/08 09:19 AM lchard Av) corne © Member Iwas double-checking for the simple $235 material pegistres: | (1+0345) at 300 degr. Celsius. 07/09/07 ponte: 385 | T've got the fcold where Rm/3 is the minimal value of lee: The (Rm/3 OR f). f being the minimum value of (ReH/1.5 OR Netherlands | Rp0.2/1.5 OR Rm/2.4). For the fh I get a value of 102 N/mm2 though where CII gets a value of 88 N/mm2 When I calculate the allowable stress range for expansion stress using CII fh of 88 I get the same result for fa as CII. So the difference is in the calculation of fh p65 57.258 421bbteadslubihreads php ?ibo-showfetsNumber= 18117 681522016 EN- 13400 allowable resses Sh. Ilorgraph CADWorx & Analysis All calculations are done according to chapter 5 and 12 of EN-13480 and material properties from EN-10028-3, Top [@ Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh (ge; #16137 - 05/20/08 03:12 PM ssorne] Ray_Delaforce| Oo Hello Corne Member epistered Firstly, I think the material to which you refer is 01/02/03 P235GH 1.0345 not $235. I hope I am correct in this Posts: 604 assumption. P235GH is a non austenitic steel (in other Loc: Houston, 1x | words, a carbon steel) so we have to proceed along these lines, We consider a 16 mm thick section: From paragraph 5.2.1.1 we have the following equation at 300C: f = min(Rp0,2t/1,5: Rm / 2.4) Note: Reh does not control here = min(132/1,5; 360/2,4) = 88 MPa For the flexibility analysis, we go to paragraph 12.1.3. fe = min(Rm/3; f) = min(360/3; 88) = 88 MPa fCR = SRTt/ SFCR, but we are not in the creep range, so this equation is ignored Finally: fh = min(fc; f) = 88 MPa. In the equation from paragraph 5.2.1.1 it is our opinion that you cannot use Reh, especially as you are you are considering a temperature of 300C. I do not profess to be an expert in these matters, but I consider the consverative approach is the correct one. However, others may have a differetnt view. \cerely, Ray Delaforce CADWorx & Analysis Solutions Intergraph Process, Power, & Marine INTERGRAPH Too {@ Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh (ze: #18147 - 05/21/08 02:06 AM Ray Delaforce sons © Hrenber | Ray, thanks for your answer seerea, | Which EN do you use to get the RpO,2t value? T think that Reasteret: | Can be the cverence meses S05 Netherlands p65 57.258 42bbtcadsubihreads php ?bo-showfetsNumber= 18117saz stows | resses Sh. Ilorgraph CADWorx & Analysis G@ Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh (Re: #18164 - 05/21/08 07:40 AM corne] Ray Delaforce oO Hello Corne Member egistered We purchase our EN material specifications from the ones British Standards Institution. We have found the odd Posts: 604 typo. Do you have a different value for Rp0,2/t at 300C Loc: Houston, 7x | for example? For P235GH 16 mm thick, our specification gives the value as 132 MPa Sincerely, Ray Delaforce CADWorx & Analysis Solutions Intergraph Process, Power, & Marine INTERGRAPH Toe [@ Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh (Re: # 18167 - 05/21/08 08:44 AM Ray Delaforce! corne © ember | What odd typo have you found? Realstees: | Imm at home atm and don't have the code here, but by PeneS@s | head I thought Rp0,2 at 300C was 153 N/mm2. The value tectme | of 132s at 400C. Netherlands Tam ( Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh (Re: #18205 - 05/22/08 07:28 AM cornel corne © Member Hi Ray, episterea; | Tthink’T've found the mistake. The plate and strip EN- Realstret: | 9928-2 and the seamless pipe 10216-2 code give way Posts: 365 | different allowables for P235. Loe: The Netherlands Toe [@ Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh [Re: #18206 - 05/22/08 07:43 AM corn] Ray Delaforce| 1S Hello Corne Member ecistered 1am not saying you are wrong, because I do not know 51702703 what documentation you are looking at. I have in my Posts: 604 hand the following specification: Loc: Houston, TX BS EN 10216-2: 2002(E) - Seamless Steel tubes for pressure purposes. 1 look at P235GH 1.0345 (16 mm) and I find that Rp0,2/t at 300C is 132 MPa. If you would like a scan of that page, you can email me at techsupport@coade.com. Simpy mention my name in the subject line, and I shall do the necessary. p65 57.258 42bbthcadsubihreads php ?ibo-showfetsNumber= 181171522016 EN- 13400 allowable resses Sh. Ilorgraph CADWorx & Analysis The problem may arise because each European Community country re-writes the specification in their own language, thus possibly introducing errors - I but 1 simply do not know. We have had numerous queries centred around these European materals. ‘About the typos: The only problem we have encountered is when the Yield and UTS have been transposed, and one or two yield values at elevated temperatures have been transposed \cerely, Ray Delaforce CADWorx & Analysis Solutions Intergraph Process, Power, & Marine INTERGRAPH Top 05/22/08 09:18 AM {@ Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh (Re: #182: Ray Delaforce! core © ember | Hi Ray, Regiewre: | ny this situation It was my mistake (or maybe the code g7jon/o7= | makers one) teevthe | I'checked EN-10028 for plate and strip cause that was the Netherlands | code I had around. For some reason there is a big difference in between EN-10028, which gives 153 N/mm2, and EN-10216 (seamless pipe) which has 132 N/mm2. Top [ Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh (Re: #22025 - 11/03/08 04:49 AM come] oO Ray and corne, Member registerea, | ADDreciate for the good work and bringing out the rare and Revistered: | important topic. Posts: 67 Loc: india I read the fc and fh calculation,very nice and interesting. However, I found a correction and the process is re-written below: The ruling equation is Fa = U (1.25 fe + 0.25 fh) [Eh/Ec] [Chapter 12] ‘And we need to find out " fc" and * fh”. fe = min [ Rm/3 ; f ] Note: “f” is calculated with equation 5.2 at room temp. & fh = min [ fe ; f; fer ] “f" is calculated with 5.2 at calculation temp. NOW LETS CALCULATE p65 57.258 421bbteadslubihreads php ?ibo-showfetsNumber= 181171522016 EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh Ilorgragh CADWorx & Analysis 1. “fer According to 5.2, ~f = min( Reh/1.5 or Rp0.2t ; Rm/2.4) As per the table-4, EN 10216-2, Rm = 360 Mpa and Rp0.2 = 235 Mpa [room temp] ‘Thus “f = min( 235/1.5 ; 360/2.4) f = 150 Mpa Therefore,from fe = min [ Rm/3 ; f ] fe = min [360/3 ; 150] fe = 120 Mpa 2. "th" According to 5.2, f= min( Reh/1.5 or Rp0.2t ; Rm/2.4) As per the table-4, EN 10216-2, Rm = 360 Mpa and Rp0.2 = 132 Mpa [calculation temp 300 deg C] Thus “f = min( 132/1.5 ; 360/2.4) = min [ 88 ; 150] = 88 Mpa [ Fer= can be skipped ] ‘Therefore,from fh = min [Fe; f ; Fer ] = min [120 ; 88 ; fer] fh = 88 Mpa So, the final value for the material P235GH at temp 300 degree C Fo = 120 Mpa Fh = 88 Mpa There is a correction in Fc value with reference to Ray’s calculation. Your clarification will be entertained. Edited by adi singh (11/03/08 07:25 AM) Toe G Re: EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh (Re: #22098 - 11/04/08 08:09 AM ‘adi singh) Richard Ay| Oo ‘The issue here is not the values of Fc or Fh, which if you Member look in the CAESAR II material database are the same egisterea: | Values as you list above: 12/13/99 fests: 5844 _| The difference here is that by default CAESAR II will use Loc: Houston, | 12.3.4-2 instead of 12.1.3-1 for the expansion load case. If ‘Texas, USA” | you want to use 12.1.3-1 then go back to the input and on the "Special Execution Options” dialog, turn off (uncheck) the option for "Liberal Stress Allowable" Regards, Richard Ay Intergraph CAS INTERGRAPH p65 57.258 421bbteadslubihreads php ?ibo-showfetsNumber= 181171522016 EN-13480 allowable stresses Sh Ilorgragh CADWorx & Analysis Next Topic Previous Topic Moderator: Dave Diehl, Richard Ay Hop to: | CAESAR II ao | Privacy statement - Board Rules - Mark all read ‘GooG_v2_copy_copy_copy Contact Us - Home Page - Top Generated in 0.059 seconds in which 0.009 seconds were spent on a total of 15 queries. Zlib compression disabled. rs 68. p65 57.258 42ubbtcadslubihreads php bo-showfetsNumber= 18117 PHP Forum z 2 66