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ROBERT PARKIN, COMMENT ON READ/EL GUINDI I have not read Bamford’s volume, and given existing commitments I’m unlikely to do so. However, in the context of this comment and Read and El Guindi’s original review of Bamford, I think it would be opportune to remind ourselves briefly of how the relationship between gender and kinship in anthropology – and to an extent, therefore, between structure and culture – has evolved. This is because the arrival of gender in the discipline was historically associated with the elevation of culture as an explanation for kinship (in the supposed but increasingly maligned Schneiderian revolution), and that was no coincidence. In this respect, of course, gender arrived late at the table, much later than kinship, largely because most early ethnographers were men, and accordingly they had better access to male than female informants. Only later, as part of a struggle to establish gender more decisively as an anthropological topic, did authors such as Yanagisako and Collier (1987) and Howell and Melhuus (1993) start advocating a fusion of gender and kinship, both having been influenced by the cultural turn associated with David Schneider. There were also occasional voices advocating a rapprochement between culture and structure, including Janet Carsten, who also admits to problems with the culturally focused notion of ‘relatedness’ with which she is most identified (2000: 4-5; a response to Holy 1996: 169-72), and, in a more extended and perhaps rather more forthright manner, myself (Parkin 2009). Of course, to say ‘gender’ tends to suggest ‘women’ in practice, despite more recent work on so-called ‘masculinities’ (e.g. Vale de Almeida 1997). That must be avoided, as we are no longer in the early period when the previous failure to include women sufficiently in the ethnographic mix needs to be ‘compensated’ for by giving the pendulum an extra push in their direction. However, I have no objection to such a fusion in itself, as it is clear that kinship is affected by gender, as well as enough evidence by now that women often view their kinship systems differently from men (a good example is Josephides 1995, on the Kewa of Papua New Guinea). For that reason, I am not in principle opposed to culture as a perspective, nor do I have a reverse preference for seeing structure as the answer to everything. That said, I would certainly agree that there is a place for kin terms as a form of classification as well as for kinship as practical action, since without the former to set the conditions for the latter, the latter would only descend into chaos. I would agree with Read and el Guindi, though, that leaving it at that would mean omitting many important topics from the study of kinship, and I suspect in gender as well. One can readily think of examples in the models of kinship systems and constructions of actual kinship systems and terminologies in themselves, which many of us have sought to contribute to, including Read and El Guindi. Regarding the ‘cultural turn’ in kinship, however, in one respect my scepticism has steadily increased over the years over one issue in particular: the alleged absence of biology/genealogy from our informants’ thinking about kinship. Ironically it is something that both David Schneider and Rodney Needham tried to dismiss, despite their opposition in other matters, the former less consistently than the latter if Read and El Guindi’s demonstration in their comment is anything to go by. For the Needhamites it was more a matter of their emphasis on category at the expense of genealogy in their studies of kin terms, not Schneiderian culturalism. Read and el Guindi’s reference to Ellen Lewin’s study of how gay couples seek out biological kin in preference to biological non-kin in seeking support in caring for their children resonates with a previous paper by Christoph Brumann (2000). Working on ideologically driven collectives, from hippy communes to the kibbutz, the latter found that those ventures of this sort that allowed some space to the ‘natural’ nuclear family alongside an ideological commitment to share everything, including parenthood, tended to survive better (the evolution of the kibbutz in this regard is salutary). Another example is Rita Astuti’s work among the Vezo of Madagascar, who ostensibly see their kinship in terms of idealized bilateral circles uniting as many alters as possible without there necessarily being a biological connection with them, which in their explicit statements they ignore as irrelevant. However, on Astuti pressing them, they were eventually prepared to acknowledge the existence of biological ties between some egos and alters (Astuti 2009). Contrast this with the perspective of Bamford herself in an earlier edited volume: in her work among the Kamea of Papua New Guinea, she goes to great lengths to deny that links between fathers and sons have anything to do with genealogical thinking, despite saying that, in intercourse, the father contributes ‘bone and internal organs’, the mother ‘skin and surface blood vessels’ to the fetus (2009: 162; cf. Parkin 2013). Of course, anthropologists are used to the fact that folk models of biology are generally not fully in line with the perspectives of the geneticist or human biologist, and might be at complete variance with them. This is nothing new, as it affected now ancient debates in anthropology about the failure to recognize certain kin ties among, e.g., the Todas or Trobrianders. Such recognition might well be lacking in some societies, but equally it is firmly present in others, which, I would argue, are probably in the majority worldwide. Sometimes, too, it might depend on context: thus the famous Trobriand denial of paternity might have more to do with protecting matrilineal rights than with everyday relations of kinship, as Edmund Leach recognized (1967). Two final points: it was a structuralist, Rodney Needham, as much as the culturalist Schneider, who spread the idea that there is no such thing as kinship (cf. Needham 1971: 5). Secondly, there is an irony in the fact that the Schneiderian dismissal of kinship as biological was balanced by an emphasis, innovative in itself, on the body as a key anthropological topic. In fact, of course, the contrast is in effect one between structure and culture. References Astuti, Rita 2009. Revealing and obscuring Rivers’s pedigrees: biological inheritance and kinship in Madagascar, in Sandra Bamford and James Leach (eds.), Kinship and beyond: the genealogical model reconsidered, New York and Oxford, Berghahn Books, 214-36. Bamford, Sandra, and James Leach (eds.) 2009. Kinship and beyond: the genealogical reconsidered, New York and Oxford: Berghahn. Brumann, Christoph 2000. ‘Philoprogenitiveness’ through the cracks: on the resilience and benefits of kinship in Utopian communes, in Peter P. Schweizer (ed.), Dividends of kinship: meanings and uses of social relatedness, London and New York: Routledge, 177-206. Carsten, Janet 2000. Introduction: cultures of relatedness, in Janet Carsten (ed.), Cultures of relatedness: new approaches to the study of kinship, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1-36. Holy, Ladislav 1996. Anthropological perspectives on kinship, London: Pluto Press. Howell, Signe, and Marit Melhuus 1993. The study of kinship: the study of person; a study of gender?, in Teresa del Valle (ed.), Gendered anthropology, London and New York: Routledge. Josephides, Lisette 1995. Replacing cultural markers: symbolic analysis and political action in Melanesia, in Daniel de Coppet and André Iteanu (eds.), Cosmos and society in Oceania, Oxford and Washington DC: Berg, 189-211. Leach, Edmund 1967. Virgin birth (Henry Myers Lecture, 1966), Proceedings of the Royal Anthropological Institute, 1967, 39-49. Needham, Rodney 1971. Remarks on the analysis of kinship and marriage, in Rodney Needham (ed.), Rethinking kinship and marriage, London etc.: Tavistock Publications, 1-34. Parkin, Robert 2009. What Shapiro and McKinnon are all about, and why kinship still needs anthropologists, Social Anthropology 17, 158-170. Parkin, Robert 2013. Relatedness as transcendence: on the renewed debate over the meaning of kinship, Journal of the Anthropological Society of Oxford, 5(1), 1-26. Vale de Almeida, Miguel 1997. The hegemonic male: masculinity in a Portuguese town, Oxford: Berghahn. Yanagisako, Sylvia Junko, and Jane Fishburne Collier 1987. Towards a unified analysis of gender and kinship, in Jane Fishburne Collier and Sylvia Junko Yanagisako (eds.), Gender and kinship: towards a unified analysis, Stanford: Stanford University Press, 14-50.