#indiewebcamp 2016-06-29
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[shaners] bear aaronpk kevinmarks etc: I added name and website to /chat-people. I also added a table view instead of a list. Which do yall think is better? Especially for a very long list like /irc-people actually is.
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gRegorLove +1 for tables with long list
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KevinMarks__ though then they get cropped on narrow screens
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# [kevinmarks] Well, that one doesn't because its missing a meta viewport, but you know what I mean
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Loqi h-card as a service is a website built by http://assets.veganstraightedge.com/images/apple-touch-icon-57-precomposed.pngShane Becker to prototype the idea of replacing wiki profile pages with a simple form with fields for commonly used properties (name, url, photo, etc) already used by several people on the wiki which could be used as a single point of lookup for people’s h-card info https://indiewebcamp.com/h-card_as_a_service
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# Loqi [indieweb] "Dear #indieweb community, please welcome @Celine_Bouton on the Indie Train ! indiesite: http://www.celinebouton.eu thanks to @withknown !" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/dear-indieweb-community-please-welcome-celine_bouton-on-the-indie-train
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petermolnar had anyone here tried out .bit domains?
# petermolnar !tell aaronpk interesting, lynx (browser) doesn't like your SSL cert; it states it's for CN<*.pin13.net>
# petermolnar Lynx Version 2.8.8dev.12 (22 Feb 2012) - debian 7 default
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tommorris adactio's keynote discusses IndieWeb+micropub+microformats: https://adactio.com/articles/10887
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# Loqi [indieweb] "How To Break Open The Web" by Dan Gillmor and Kevin Marks http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fastcolabs/~3/GcveeahW5rA/how-to-break-open-the-web
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# Loqi [indieweb] "How To Break Open The Web" by Dan Gillmor and Kevin Marks http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fastcompany/headlines/~3/GcveeahW5rA/how-to-break-open-the-web
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# Loqi aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 3 hours, 5 minutes ago: interesting, lynx (browser) doesn't like your SSL cert; it states it's for CN<*.pin13.net> http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-29/line/1467198291228
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ePirat Hello
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# PFMurph hello
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jonnybarnes is aaronpk there?
# jonnybarnes I’m trying to use Quill with my micropub endpoint, but syndication endpoint discovery isn’t working properly
# jonnybarnes which will be my end I’m sure
# ePirat what's quill?
# jonnybarnes does syndicate-to need to be an array if theres only one target?
# Loqi Quill is a simple app for posting text notes to your website using Micropub https://indiewebcamp.com/Quill
# ePirat Ah, thanks Loqi
# jonnybarnes would `http_build_query(['syndicate-to[]' => 'twitter.com/jonnybarnes']);` work?
# jonnybarnes I currently have that without the square brackets after syndicate-to
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@RikMende We need to get back to core that the Web is elsewhere than closed arbitrary corporate silo's back to 2003 #indieweb https://twitter.com/xeni/status/748164491330805760 (twitter.com/_/status/748166010503593989)
# jonnybarnes oh hang on: “The endpoint MUST return the response in [JSON] format”
# jonnybarnes so I shouldn’t be using http_build_query
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ben_thatmustbeme no, we changed that, it is a bit nicer now having names for things
# petermolnar you do have namecoins to spend, right?
# petermolnar oh, that won't happen. nc is a btc clone, which means you now need immense computing power to mine it
# petermolnar so you either buy them or wait a loooong time to mine them
# ePirat Are there any "Known" users here? Is it possible to customize the templates/provide your own? And does Known supports formatted code blocks?
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@kevinmarks “We didn’t have to worry about how data would get from one place to another. It just did.” http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open #DWebSummit #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748173822646312960)
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# petermolnar ePirat we usually have Known users, it appears they are absent at the moment
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[kylewm] epirat: yes you can add your own themes/templates; code blocks are tricky… see https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1024
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# ePirat ewww TinyMCE D:
# petermolnar although this looks like an old, dusty thing
# ePirat just found this https://github.com/idno/Markdown
# ePirat for some reason uses https://github.com/OscarGodson/EpicEditor though…
# ePirat maybe it's just for me but that editor does not seem to provide much benefit over a plain textfield? at least the demo on the website seems quite pointless…
# petermolnar press the eye icon
# petermolnar it renders the output on the fly
# ePirat Ah!
# ePirat didn't notice it had on-hover icons
# KevinMarks Known let's you add custom markup
# KevinMarks Go to /admin/styles
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# [dshanske] Semantic Linkbacks has been refactored in the same way Webmentions has. They can now theoretically be developed separately, but a unified distribution plugin could easily be made
# ePirat :/
# jonnybarnes would this be a correct response from my micorpub endpoint for a syndicate-to request? https://gist.github.com/jonnybarnes/6d6ee07b1a52286abd34ebc042ca596f
# jonnybarnes kylewm: how would I get json_encode to do that?
# jonnybarnes I’ve updated the gist to show the php thats generating the response
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# ben_thatmustbeme thinks we should have a test for this when we get to micropub test suite
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# ben_thatmustbeme excellent
# ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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# ePirat HWC?
# ePirat What is HWC?
# Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indiewebcamp.com/hwc
# ePirat ah
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@tvnweb Finally made it to Brighton Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748203974302498817)
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# tvn tantek: just the 3 of us here :)
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tantek hey adactio's post https://adactio.com/articles/10887 is awesome and I'm still not done reading it. so far mentions of microformats, XFN, rel=me, indieAuth, Micropub, IndieWebCamp, Bridgy, Webmention
# ePirat aaronpk are you around?
# tantek also worthy of /posts_about
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@gRegorLove Oh hey, Bellingham, I forgot to tweet it: Homebrew Website Club tonight and again on July 13th @WoodsCoffee! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/748214721073946624)
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "<A>" https://adactio.com/articles/10887 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/29/6/)
# gRegorLove Can I get an RT from @indiewebcamp for that? ^
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club (+379) "Bellingham location, RSVP" (view diff)
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# ePirat well I wanted to ask aaronpk about https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/20
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# ePirat aaronpk well it's more a discussion topic, I will just ping you another time. I don't think this issues is properly solved.
# ePirat and I just wanted to make sure that I am not misunderstanding something before I continue commenting on the github issue.
# ePirat aaronpk not really, no. proposed ways to mitigate the issue do not help to solve the actual problem: my server can be made to POST to any server.
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@annihilist This is interesting. https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/748218424162082816)
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# ePirat aaronpk but that's exactly what this issue is about? using a crafted webmention endpoint.
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# ePirat which is not a real webmention endpoint
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# ePirat yes
# ePirat there should be some way for my server to check, if the referenced endpoint actually handles webmentions for the website that links that endpoint.
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aaronpk did you see this potential solution? https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/20#issuecomment-209385798
# ePirat aaronpk yes, I think that is a very good solution
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# ePirat aaronpk which one? the one I linked? I am confused as there are so many different repos…
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KartikPrabhu a free HTML/CSS tutorial that does look good: http://marksheet.io/
# KartikPrabhu adactio++ for sharing awesome links
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@synvila We need a feed reader that's also a publishing tool and that has the ability to send webmentions. That way we … http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2016/05/7892/ (twitter.com/_/status/748222413746356224)
# ePirat aaronpk ok, commented.
# ePirat aaronpk thanks
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@aaronpk @synvila Have you seen https://woodwind.xyz/ It's pretty much exactly what you described! :-) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748222971324440576)
# ePirat aaronpk I agree but there are horrible things out there, where it might be enough to post something or which would evaluate url parameters as well.
# ePirat aaronpk and I don't want it to be possible that my server could be abused for (even an unlikely) attack.
# ePirat aaronpk of course if you decide that the issue is too hard to actually exploit, I would understand. just wanted to point it out that's not fully addressed.
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# ePirat aaronpk and as far as I understand the only affected thing would be salmention, so I could choose to just not support them.
# ePirat aaronpk Ah, so I would just use the host from which the original webmention was sent for salmention?
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# ePirat ah, ok
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# ePirat ok, I guess I need to re-read the salemention stuff
# ePirat aaronpk so If I understand correctly, when I write a post, mentio foo.org, I would webmention foo.org and when updating the post, only re-mention foo.org, not commenters of my post?
# ePirat ok
# ePirat there is no issue then.
# ePirat will add another comment.
# ePirat aaronpk would the security consideration you added to the draft still apply then?
# aaronpk yes, the security consideration starts out with "It is possible for an attacker to advertise a Webmention endpoint that points to an arbitrary URL." which is still true. but that case will only be hit if the attacker causes you to actually post a link to their site in your own post. so it's more like a targeted phishing attack in that sense.
# ePirat aaronpk indeed.
# ePirat is Loqi a bot? a human? or both?
# ePirat aaronpk thanks for discussing the issue with me!
# ePirat aaronpk++
# aaronpk HWC Brighton is on! https://adactio.com/notes/10898
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# ePirat :D
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# [dshanske] Afternoon
# gRegorLove Howdy [dshanske]. Not used to seeing you here via Slack
# ePirat how can you be in here using slack?
# [dshanske] I was having trouble with my Android IRC client disconnecting without notice.
# ePirat aaronpk nice!
# ePirat lovely that you are keeping irc and just offering slack as another way to use it
# ePirat some channels did it the other way around, which annoys me a lot…
# ePirat aaronpk and the slack irc bridge that slack offers is… crap
# ePirat aaronpk but how do you make it that he actually has a own nick and not speaks a Loqi?
# ePirat aaronpk but freenode limits users per IP?
# ePirat interesting
# ePirat I wonder if you could get it approved by freenode to make the limit higher for a specific IP…
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cweiske full page screenshots are awesome.. http://phancap.cweiske.de/imgcache/cweiske.de-e7e0c6247c86235b08c9438cb4dcedaa.png
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# cweiske or as searchable pdf: http://phancap.cweiske.de/imgcache/cweiske.de-586037282c5233c567a184a17560a4c2.pdf
# snarfed GWG: just pushed unit test support and first test. feel free to try it! https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub#development
# cweiske aaronpk, you promised to document your screenshot usage at http://indiewebcamp.com/bookmarks
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# [kevinmarks] Facebook is chipping away at privacy - and my profile has been exposed http://nzzl.us/KGJRdUH
# [kevinmarks] Kind of an antipattern, especially combined with public posts being invisible outside fb
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# gRegorLove facebook--
# gRegorLove invisible outside fb? To search engines you mean?
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# [benatwork] Related: if anyone has any screenshots of anything awesome that I can show off, I’d love to receive them at ben at benwerd dot com. I’ve been told I shouldn’t expect internet necessarily, so no live demos
# Loqi [benatwork]: tantek_ left you a message on 6/23 at 4:44am: The Long Now is holding a Long Now Summit on 2016-10-04 and there's a call for submissions for Ignite Talks! Add yourselves! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1f6zIEhPeVa7vIECZFhDC_LKxwa0mMyLuLgBKguRHKJA/viewform http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-23/line/1466682278926
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# [benatwork] ooo
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# KevinMarks1 hm, want to get stats on github code? https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/06/GitHub-on-BigQuery-analyze-all-the-open-source-code.html
# KevinMarks1 benatwork: you can demo offline websites then
# KevinMarks1 adactio.com https://ben.thatmustbe.me/mobilepub/ and woodwind.xyz
# KevinMarks1 adactio.com https://ben.thatmustbe.me/mobilepub/ and woodwind.xyz
# KevinMarks1 promo code, ben?
# gRegorLove aaronpk: What's the name of the software you set up for team status? ("currently working on")
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# [kylewm] https://squashreports.com/ rather
# gRegorLove Thanks
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# KevinMarks1 should I do a joy division graphs app for slack?
# gRegorLove I'm trying a local install, aaronpk. Will let you know how it goes :)
# KevinMarks1 today's xkcd sounds like one of those theoretical webmention bug reports http://xkcd.com/1700/
# gRegorLove I might experiment with extending Squash Reports to track times, too, for invoicing. We have a really rudimentary system for that currently.
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@ChrisAldrich .@nytimes will you be my brother on Facebook? http://boffosocko.com/2016/06/29/new-york-times-will-you-be-my-brother-on-facebook/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/748279693393047552/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/748279693393047552)
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@m_ott Just added my #Webmention plugin for @CraftCMS to the plugin directory over at StraightUpCraft: https://straightupcraft.com/craft-plugins/webmention #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748281117728473088)
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# jonnybarnes aaronpk: fyi the json in Example 23 in the micropub docs has a syntax error
# jonnybarnes its missing a comma after the name for myfavoritesocialnetwork
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# jonnybarnes oh god who thought json was a good idea?
# jonnybarnes I just want the uid value
# jonnybarnes yeah, just read about the second param of json_decode
# jonnybarnes much saner :)
# aaronpk it looks like we are converging on the pieces necessary for the july 4 switch: http://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb
# KevinMarks_ Do we want to grep all the html on github for mf2?
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aaronparecki.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+326) "/* where to put IRC logs */ more thoughts on chat urls" (view diff)
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# @kevinmarks http://Indiewebcamp.com is here for you. https://Woodwind.xyz/ + brid.gy are ready to make it work https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/748009724910649348 (twitter.com/_/status/748299050768732160)
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# [benatwork] yeah, that means something a bit different in Scotland
# [benatwork] also the sheer number of referrals I get for the “facebook login” search tells me that URL design is essentially moot for non-technical users
# aaronpk the good news is our /IRC page is already the top result for https://www.google.com/?q=indieweb+chat
# [benatwork] my favorite moment on the internet is when a readwriteweb article became the #1 search result for “facebook login” for a day or so and thousands of visitors left angry comments about the facebook redesign
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# [shurcool] lol
# KevinMarks That was awesome
# [shurcool] for those that are attending the Homebrew Website Club Meetup in SF tonight... it's my first time, how will I find people? the location is the open area of a first floor of a big building as I understand.
# KevinMarks I'm a little surprised Vic never got them to onebox "Facebook login" to g+
# [shurcool] also, the first hour is "Quiet writing hour before the meetup" so are people just going to work quietly/independently?
# [shurcool] okay, thanks
# KevinMarks The receptionist will insist on calling tantek if you get there before 5:30
# [shurcool] ah okay great
# [shurcool] I wasn't sure if it was just people meeting in an open public area
# [shurcool] thanks :slightly_smiling_face:
# [shurcool] see ya soon!
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# [benatwork] KevinMarks: I’ve just seen your Fast Company article and it’s so exciting
# [benatwork] Final sentence is the key.