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docs/monthly-meeting/2022-02.md

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## Roll call:
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- [Pradyun] / :shrug: / @pradyunsg
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This is a place to make announcements (without a need for discussion). This is also a great place to give shout-outs to contributors! We'll read through these at the beginning of the meeting.
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- Welcome Documentarians :smile:
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- Welcome Documentarians 😀
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> TIL about HackMD's `[name=Pradyun]` syntax, and it's great! [Pradyun]
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> I've been making a decent amount of progress on the Sphinx theme, and spent some time reading the implementation of https://github.com/python/docsbuild-scripts [Pradyun]
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> I've been making a decent amount of progress on the Sphinx theme, and spent some time reading the implementation of [python/docsbuild-scripts](https://github.com/python/docsbuild-scripts) [Pradyun]
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> Thanks @encukou for kicking this off. :tada: [willingc]
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> Thanks @encukou for kicking this off. 🎉 [willingc]
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## Agenda items
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[Ned] Right, writing rules shouldn't block our work. But how do we determine a PR is good? Having guidance up front is a good way not only to avoid conflict, but also guide people doing the work.
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[James] Example: someone was confused print returns None (ref: https://bugs.python.org/issue46282). Let's add it to the builtins page! But someone said it wouldn't be appropriate to add return value to all the builtins.
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[James] Example: someone was confused print returns None (ref: [python/cpython#90440](https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/90440)). Let's add it to the builtins page! But someone said it wouldn't be appropriate to add return value to all the builtins.
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[CAM] From experience maintaining the Spyder docs, it's finding the right balance between guidelines for consistency + better onboarding, and the pragmatic aspects of avoiding nit-picking -- focusing on the more important aspects like clarity.
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[Ned] Sounds like a good issue to file.
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[Petr] Filing an issue. (https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/17)
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[Petr] Filing an issue. ([python/docs-community#17](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/17))
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[Paul] You can probably blame the CLA process on me.
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- Migration of theme to modern responsive theme https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/1
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- Migration of theme to modern responsive theme [python/docs-community#1](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/1)
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> This is coming along, albeit slower than I'd like. I'm resisting the urge to strive for perfect but, also, I'd like to check all the boxes? [Pradyun]
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- Post the application process for workgroup members https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/3
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- Enhancing the switchers setup https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/4
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- Post the application process for workgroup members [python/docs-community#3](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/3)
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- Enhancing the switchers setup [python/docs-community#4](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/4)
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> This is related to #14. :P [Pradyun]
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- ReadTheDocs https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/5
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- Suggestions from Python Language Summit https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/6
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- Mobile friendly theme for wiki.python.org https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/7
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- ReadTheDocs [python/docs-community#5](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/5)
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- Suggestions from Python Language Summit [python/docs-community#6](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/6)
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- Mobile friendly theme for wiki.python.org [python/docs-community#7](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/7)
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> I _think_ a new theme would be nicest, even if it's the most "costly" in terms of effort+time? None of the existing themes look particularly great. [Pradyun]
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- Suggestions and ideas from Typing Summit https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/8
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- French translation sprint https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/9
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- Use Sphinx for pep builds and better rendering https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/10
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- Suggestions and ideas from Typing Summit [python/docs-community#8](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/8)
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- French translation sprint [python/docs-community#9](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/9)
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- Use Sphinx for pep builds and better rendering [python/docs-community#10](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/10)
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> This seems to be progressing well mostly thanks to Adam's work; we just need to do some tweaks to the styling and appearance; main blocker is just PEP 676's approval and then getting the infra moved over to whatever we decide on (RTD, GHP, Netlify, etc). A huge improvement and going to unlock a lot of possibilities going forward while being far more maintainable than the hacked-together legacy csystem. I'm a little unsure if this is directly within scope here, though. [CAM-Gerlach]
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- Move language selection to a dedicated page? [python/docs-community#14](https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/14)
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[docs-community.readthedocs.io/en/latest/workgroup/adding-members.html](https://docs-community.readthedocs.io/en/latest/workgroup/adding-members.html)
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