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Happy—& Skippy—New Year!

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Greetings, Mr. Blick. First of all, a very belated Happy New Year. Second, I was delighted to see you’ve started work on Skippy Hollywood Theater. Though I’m far from an OTR maven, I had gained at least a glancing familiarity with some of the anthology series in the course of researching the pre-mystery-writing career of my late mother, Jane Speed. The most frequently produced of her radio scripts, “Farewell to Birdie McKeever” (originally "McKeesler") was, I would venture, most successfully realized by Mitchel and Co., feat. the pre-femme fatale Gloria Grahame—really charming in what, esp. in hindsight, seems utterly atypical casting—& Dan O’Herlihy, among others.

Long story short, I’m assuming that the recent Newspapers.com issue is what’s delayed further work on that project. For my part, I have my own NPC sub, as well as access to Proquest. I’d be happy to help in any way you deem appropriate; for example, I’m sure I can dig up citations for every episode title—as well at least one featured player (as well as at least the occasional writer)—for each of the CBS episodes. [BTW, for your wiki-linking info, I already created a wiki for Del Castillo—i. e. Del Castillo (organist).] DavidESpeed (talk) 04:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DavidESpeed, Thanks for your message and for your interest in the Skippy Hollywood Theatre article. You are correct about the delay's resulting from the access problem with Newspapers.com. I had bookmarked more than a dozen newspaper pages during my preliminary research, and I am waiting to get access to them. I think I have pretty well exhausted my other sources. I would welcome your help in adding information about episodes or anything else you might find that would enhance the article.
That's interesting about your mother. I'm sure that makes OTR more significant for you. OTR was part of my childhood, before my family got a TV set. I rediscovered it back in the 1970s via commercially available records and membership in an OTR tape-lending library. In the last few years I have realized that OTR was much more vast than I had thought, as I find articles in back issues of newspapers and trade publications about programs that I did not know existed.
Before I close, let me add that I appreciate your dedication to finding citations for dates of birth and other biographical information for Wikipedia articles. I am impressed by how often my watchlist contains notices of significant improvements that you have made in articles. Wikipedia needs more of that kind of attention to detail from its editors. Eddie Blick (talk) 14:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Re dedication & attention to detail, the feeling is mutual, I assure you. As for Skippy, I'll get right on it. And, come to think of it, speaking of my mother, whenever you have a few spare moments, you can both learn more about her and do me a great service with feedback regarding this: Draft:Jane Speed DavidESpeed (talk) 16:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @DavidESpeed. I appreciate your comment.
Please feel free to add anything you might find related to the Skippy program. By the way, I'm never sure with titles like this whether to use "theater" or "theatre", when different sources use different spellings. In this case, John Dunning's On the Air reference book uses "er", and The New York Times uses "re". I went with the latter, but it can be changed when the page is moved to article space. What are your thoughts on that topic?
Thanks for sending the link to your draft article about your mother. I look forward to reading it when I have time to focus more on it, and I added it to my watchlist. Eddie Blick (talk) 17:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Eddie, regarding "er" vs. "re", it's very straightforward, at least as regards the 1949-'50 CBS run. Searching on Proquest, which also includes a generous helping of relevant trade papers (e.g. Variety, Hollywood Reporter & Broadcasting), it's 64 to 47 for "re", with the 64 almost entirely consisting of trades and the 47, almost wholly dailies. So, again, I think its safe to say that the official title, at least for that period, was Skippy Hollywood Theatre. DavidESpeed (talk) 18:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for checking on that, @DavidESpeed. I'll stick with the "re" version, then. Eddie Blick (talk) 22:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another Skippy question

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@David, I'm sure you noticed that I listed the episodes alphabetically, rather than by dates, for the syndicated version of the show. I thought that might be better because in syndication a given episode might have been broadcast on diffent dates by different stations. Do you think it would be better to include each episode's date as found in the source (and use chronological order) anyway? Eddie Blick (talk) 02:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I've never really given much attention to the pre-CBS period, so I can't really give a helpful or informed response. On top of which, in about half an hour, Im headed to the hospital where my significant other is undergoing surgery today—in fact, I don't even know what degree of internet access I'll have while waiting around. In any event. we should be back uptown by this evening, and, at the very least, I should have all those CBS titles, stars and citations filled in by late tonight or tomorrow. DavidESpeed (talk) 11:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Turns out I do have internet access at the hospital. I see now that the Cloudflare issue's been resolved and that you've sprinkled in a few more titles. (You were probably wondering why, despite my progress report, no titles had yet been added from my end. This, in fact, is simply my longstanding habit of never recording my pre-publishable article building–as in "user drafts'–on Wiki but simply saving such work in Text Edit files until ready unleash upon an unwary public.) Anyhoo, seeing as how no subsequent additions have yet joined those first three, I will, with some trepidation, start plugging in my finds thus far wherever they're not yet redundant. DavidESpeed (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @David! I appreciate your help, and I hope the surgery goes well. Eddie Blick (talk) 16:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Eddie. As it happens, it went fine–plus, we got out much earlier than expected. So, following a brief celebration, nose has been reattached to grindstone. Oops! I see you've filled in a couple more in the interim. Ah well, once again, I'll proceed with caution and fill in whichever gaps appear to be lingering. DavidESpeed (talk) 18:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@David, Yes, I filled in a few as I went through tne bookmarks that I had saved for Newspapers.com. I have almost exhausted those bookmarks, so any episodes or other content that you can add will be a plus. I'm glad to hear that the surgery went well. I'm sure that's a relief for both of you. Eddie Blick (talk) 19:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ready to move?

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@David, Thanks for your recent improvements. I appreciate the additions that you have made to the article (especially with regard to tables of episodes). I think that it is ready to move to article space. Do you agree, or do you have other changes in mind that would merit keeping it as a userpage? Eddie Blick (talk) 20:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie, first of all, thanks so much for asking. As it happens, I had already found a large number of additional syndicated episodes (saved in my text-edit mockup of the original, no-date table), which I had not yet plugged into the actual wiki when it finally occurred to me to adjust the format of that table after all. Unfortunately, this is a big multi-tasking moment for me, as I make some last-minute adjustments to a video I was hoping to publish and share tonight or tomorrow morning on FB. In any case, I should be able to add those titles by sometime tomorrow at the latest.
With all that said, I don't know if that consideration should be a deal-breaker if you are otherwise strongly inclined to publish now. OTOH, there is one other thing. I am also now suddenly of the opinion that, despite a more than passing resemblance to the long-departed journalist Bill Bird currently on WP, this Bill Bird, his still-salient blockquote notwithstanding—is somebody else entirely. Just to be on the safe side, until I can definitively resolve that uncertainty, I'm de-linking that name. And ... done! OK, now I will of course defer to you on whether or not to wait until I make those table additions to publish. Thanks again for including me in the project; it's been a lot of fun.
BTW, one additional distraction which might prove interesting—and not entirely irrelevant. While I was previously working on an as-yet still unfinished wiki for Les Mitchel, I took a second look at the life of the woman who, it turns out, was his 3rd of five wives, the former Madelon Grayson (né Baker), whom I'd thus far been aware of solely via the tiny supporting role she'd played on the Skippy production of one of my mother's scripts. It turns out that Ms. Baker—who, ironically re-acquired her birth name in the end by finding happiness the third time around with someone also named Baker—also had longer, more varied, and arguably more substantial career than did Les. In any event, I finished that wiki, Madelon Baker, while poor Les waits wstfully in the wings. OK, I think that's enough out of me. What do you think? DavidESpeed (talk) 22:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@David, I will hold off until you can add that content. We have no need to rush to publish the article. I think what might work best would be for you to move the article to article space when it's ready. I don't know of anything else that I can add, so that approach will simplify things.
Your anecdote about Madelon Baker Grayson Baker illustrates some of the fun of working on Wikipedia. We never know how research on one person or topic will turn up useful information on another. Many of the articles that I have created have developed from something that I read in a source while I was doing research like that. Developments like that keep life interesting.
Thanks again for all of your work on the Skippy article. I appreciate it. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:48, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will do that. Once again, thanks so much for being the proverbial—and, better yet, real-life and literal—mensch. One thing I'm curious about, though; and please excuse my ignorance, as I've never before done any sort of pre-pub collaboration. Although obviously only one party can literally pull the publication 'trigger,' do both–or, if applicable, all–contributing editors get credited? I would hope, for example, that in this case, you would, at the very least, get top 'billing', esp. seeing as how you not only started the article but also did the lion's share of work. DavidESpeed (talk) 06:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@David, I don't know how the crediting process works, but it doesn't matter to me. You probably have seen on my user page the list of articles that I have created; my number is pretty high already. I hope to add more as time goes on. Anyway, I think you ended up doing more work than I did on Skippy. Even though I started it, you invested a lot of work in research and additions -- especially regarding episodes. I greatly appreciate all that you did. Eddie Blick (talk) 17:29, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ooops. Well, Eddie, I don't know if I'm having an extended 'senior' moment, but it does appear that no one except the originator of an article has the authority to publish. In any event, I am not being allowed to publish this one, each attempt simply ending up back at User:Teblick/Skippy Hollywood Theatre. DavidESpeed (talk) 07:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh? I didn't know that either, @David. Thanks for letting me know. I will move it now. Eddie Blick (talk) 20:40, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karin Argoud

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https://www.realtor.com/realestateagents/607ddcd97a1ac000127c61ae Explained? Xx236 (talk) 09:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for writing, @Xx236.
I assume that your message is a response to my reversion of the addition of "-Morrissey" to the lead in Karin Argoud. If you had included a citation to the page linked above when you added "Morrisey", I would not have reverted the addition. As it was, nothing in the article supported that new last name. I suggest that you add "Morrisey" back to the article, with a citation to the www.realtor.com page immediately after it. I notice, however, that the page you linked does not show a hyphen in her name, so I suggest that you not include a hyphen when you revise the article. Eddie Blick (talk) 13:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth Shawn Batten

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Hi. What do you think about using this source for Shawn Batten's birth date? https://www.geocities.ws/TelevisionCity/Studio/1210/library/shawn-interview.html. It says Steve Lukather is 14 years her senior. Since he is born in 1957 that would make her born in 1971. Or does that count as original research? DrKilleMoff (talk) 23:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DrKilleMoff, That sounds to me like a reasonable approach, but it still won't give a specific date of birth. You will need to use Template:Birth based on age as of date, which will display two possible years of birth, and then cite the article that you linked. As you mentioned, some editors might consider that original research. I think it's just calculation, but be prepared to deal with that topic if it should arise. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But there is no specific age mentioned in the article. It just says that Lukather is 14 years her senior. DrKilleMoff (talk) 11:53, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DrKilleMoff, It probably would be best, then, to wait until something more definite becomes available. I apologize for misunderstanding your first message. Eddie Blick (talk) 14:46, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heidi Lenhart

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What do you think about using this source for Heidi Lenhart's date of birth?

https://nedhardy.com/2023/10/26/heidi-lenhart/#more-16491

I added it in the article but it was reverted without any reason. I can't see anything wrong the the source. Can you? DrKilleMoff (talk) 21:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DrKilleMoff, I am not familiar with that source, but I checked the link in your post, and it seems to me that it should be okay. You might contact the editor who reverted it and ask why he or she did so. You might also post a question about the source at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard to seek comments from other editors. Eddie Blick (talk) 14:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He/she just said that it wasn't reliable without any further motivation. I posted it at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard along with soap hub that he/she also removed as source for Heather Tom's birth date. There I did managed to find a Chicago Tribune source as well though. I haven't gotten any answers though. DrKilleMoff (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DrKilleMoff, I hope you will get some replies, but you might not. Sometimes other editors pick up on such questions and respond, but in other cases they don't. Eddie Blick (talk) 15:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying at the page you mentioned too. Hope it's ok if I mention you there that you don't see anything wrong with it either. DrKilleMoff (talk) 15:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Books & Bytes – Issue 61

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I saw that you edited Alma Macrorie's Wikipedia page. You have done an amazing job! I found an insanely useful resource that could help both of us. It's called the ACE Second Decade Anniversary Book. It has many biographies and deaths of various film editors that have never been posted on the internet before. Disclaimer, some of the death dates may be inaccurate. For example, they listed Alma Macrorie's death date as September 12, 1969 instead of June 28, 1970. But from my research, the rest of the death dates are accurate.

Here's some changes that I've made using that book as a source:

Let me know if you want to collaborate with me, and we can knock these editors out of the park. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 23:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message and the invitation. I did not remember having edited that article in 2018. I appreciate your offer, but I shall decline. I normally do not edit articles about film editors; my work on hers came from her additional status as an actress.
Best wishes in your endeavors. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 01:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Teblick: I finally added Alma Macrorie's headshot! You can see the changes here Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 17:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks!

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For your help! 2603:6010:2D02:C7ED:4136:ECDB:272D:35DE (talk) 05:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! Eddie Blick (talk) 12:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Books & Bytes – Issue 62

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Khalil Kain Bio

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Please stop removing edits being made from Khalil’s family. There has been repeated information incorrectly released from his Wiki page for years. You clearly do not know him personally. It’s just annoying at this point. 73.80.66.109 (talk) 06:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct in saying that I do not know Khalil Kain. Do you know him? If so, you should refrain from editing his page. The guideline at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest is clear in specifying that editing articles about people whom you know "is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia."
In addition to the conflict of interest matter, my concern is the lack of sourcing for much content in that article. Wikipedia:Verifiability is clear about the need for providing adequate citations so that a person who reads an article can know the source(s) of the article's content. Please notice the WP:FAILEDVERIFICATION section of that page, which says that content that cannot be verified with a valid source may be removed. Also, please see WP:BURDEN, which contains the paragraph, "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution."
When you add content to any article on Wikipedia, you should provide a citation to a published, reliable source that contains that information. If the article's subject is a living person, that source cannot be a primary source, such as a public record. If you add content without a valid source, it is likely to be removed. Eddie Blick (talk) 13:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am the valid source. I don’t need someone who doesn’t know us, him or his family to keep falsifying his image. Stop. 73.80.66.109 (talk) 23:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have not seen any Wikipedia policy or guideline that allows an editor to be his or her own source. Where did you find that? Eddie Blick (talk) 00:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User: NKing313

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Hi, I've noticed you've been one of the recent editors on actress Allison McAtee article. I've also noticed that particular editor has been either putting in unsourced information or removing sourced content like he just did here with some information I put in a couple weeks ago.[1] I reverted it and left a warning on his talk page. Which I have a feeling he's gonna ignore.

If you come across him reverting back that edit and adding anymore info without any legit sources and I haven't already reported it to WP:ANI, could you please do so? Because he made that account in 2018 and looking at his editing history, the only edits he's ever made are on that article. So that may be Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Kcj5062 (talk) 02:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message, @Kcj5062. I will try to be alert and watch for that. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use of FamilySearch as a source "not permitted"???

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Hi, Eddie (&, btw, hope you had a truly wonderful Easter, Mother's Day et al).

Sorry to take time away from your own work here, but was there some wiki 'memo' I've missed? Yesterday I published what seemed to me at least an extensively documented 'start-class' article about David (Roberts) Young (1911–1969), an accomplished radio producer/director/actor–and sometime commentator–who was active from the early 1930s thru the mid 50's (i.e. the "Dave Young" I added as producer to the Dick Haymes Show infobox), but, like many others I've created bios for, seems to have been all but forgotten by the time of his death after almost 15 years out of the public eye (hence the absence of any but hometown San Diego County obits). Today I was shocked and puzzled to find a message informing me that not only were the FamilySearch citations—which of course concerned only the genealogical trimmings surrounding the main body of the bio—declared "forbidden" (a statement which I thought only applied to their use—or, for that matter, that of any genealogical sites whatsoever–for living persons), but, rather than just removing the resultingly unsupported material or else adding CN tags as needed, the editor removed a few but not all–or even most–of the supposedly forbidden citations, then draft-ified, only then sending me a message after the fact.

Anyway, while I have since found a couple of non-genealogical substitute sources that might sway the editor in question, and have noticed one redundant FS usage on my part that a refname will eliminate (and despite the fact that this may all be purely academic since I don't know whether even the editor who does the draftifying has the option to reconsider and thus avoid umpteen months or more of draft limbo), I would appreciate it if you would:
1) enlighten me re FamilySearch do's & don'ts
2) take a look at Draft:David_Young_(radio_producer/director) (which, apart from a wisely pared-down lede, now minus three FS citations, appears to be exactly the same article I published), and perhaps even chime in here if you deem it appropriate.

In any event, thanks so much for taking a moment. DavidESpeed (talk) 02:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DavidESpeed, I just read your message. I'm going to hold off until tomorrow (when I will be more alert) to address the points that you raised. I just wanted to let you know that I have seen it. I will get back to you later. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much.DavidESpeed (talk) 13:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was posting a reply on your talk page when I saw your note come in. Please check there for details. Eddie Blick (talk) 13:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, Eddie, I don't think I have the words to express how much I appreciate that. Suffice to say, you have brightened my week beyond measure. DavidESpeed (talk) 03:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome, @DavidESpeed! Someone may come along to disagree, but the article just seems to me to be too good to be confined to draft status. I like your detailed documentation. I wish more editors paid that much attention to providing good sources. Eddie Blick (talk) 18:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Doctor's Wife: Variety's typo

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Hey, Eddie. Whenever I stop by your contributions and see you've got a new OTR article in the works, I'm especially interested, curious as to whether any as-yet-undocumented but worthy bio subjects might not be lurking therein. Speaking of which, seeing the name Tchaerry (??!) just could not help but intrigue me. Long story short, someone at Variety substituted an inexplicably elaborate typo for plain old Bob Cherry (who I see was also the husband of singer Julie Conway), someone with whom you're probably already familiar. Anyway, I didn't want to jump in out of the blue to edit, but here's the link to NBC's own credit listing: https://archive.org/details/nbctraderelease1952nati_1/page/n141/mode/2up?q=%22Bob+Sherry%22+%22Doctor%27s+Wife%22

Happy editing, and have a great day. DavidESpeed (talk) 19:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @DavidESpeed! I appreciate your catching that error. I will correct the name. Eddie Blick (talk) 20:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Morris Ankrum

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Teblik -
Good Day -
Please be so kind as to advise why you removed EVERY single entry for Morris Ankrum as it cannot all be incorrect - ? -
Knew him from being a child actor in 1950s-1960s, until his departure from the scene, where can verify everything added is / was absolutely 100 % accurate / 100 %correct - Guaranteed -
As an administrator you should be well aware it is virtually impossible to source every single thing Wikipedia always demands being totally unreasonable and there are thousands of entries under various / multiple categories which have no sources whatsoever - ? -
Have entered thousands of different facts / figures alone with no known sources other than fact was there or knew the situation or people providing details -
Shall now look forward to a full explanation behind each revert / delete in this regard -
Thank You Very Much - 70.27.20.101 - 70.27.20.101 (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC) -[reply]
First, let me say that I am not an administrator. I am an editor who tries to fillow Wikipedia policies and guidelines.
Now, let me address some points that you made:
  • I reverted edits that inserted a birth name for which I could find no citation in the article. Wikipedia:Verifiability emphasizes the importance of having citations to reliable, published sources. Some other edits were removed as part of that revert, but the most obvious thing was the name.
  • I appreciate your having known Morris Ankrum, but I have never seen a policy that authorizes editors to insert content based solely on their personal knowledge. The purpose of providing citations in articles is to allow a reader to go to a source to verify the content. If we editors include something based solely on our own knwoledge, how could a reader verify it?
  • If you consider some of Wikipedia's policies "totally unreasonable", you have a right to hold that opinion, but feeling that way should not mean that you do not follow those policies. I do not like some Wikipedia policies, but I follow them. If every editor did what he or she wished with no regard for policies, Wikipedia's value to readers would be diminised considerably.
  • You wrote, "there are thousands of entries under various / multiple categories which have no sources whatsoever". That situation is unfortunate, but it is no reason to stop trying to improve articles. I cannot do anything about thousands of articles as a group, but I can -- and do -- try to improve one article at a time.
  • You wrote, "Shall now look forward to a full explanation behind each revert / delete in this regard". I realize that the revert took out a few changes other than those related to a birth name. You are welcome to restore those as long as they are covered by appropriate citations.
Eddie Blick (talk) 01:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Teblik -
Good Day -
The Colonel is away from this office having returned to the War Zone in Europe through this first week of June 2024.
However, he will be somewhat pleased you have responded as hardly anyone at any time at Wikipedia ever does or has done so about same not sensible issues and of those who have some have been rather insultingly ignorant.
It always greatly appears very few of you ' editors ' do much looking on your own to verify anything as full proper birth name of Nussbaum for Morris Ankrum can be found in a number of sources quite easily.
Why not give it a try under different source angles as this then should be revealed to you.
One must remember where before computerization for the masses began in 1997 - 1998 all research / checking / verifying was done by hand, and individually, only being possible to find what one could item by item.
You must know this many years into recorded world history there are millions of facts / figures which cannot ever be verified.
With respect to our research group, we have a voluminous library of military / sport / theatrical / celebrity / business / etc., obituaries / stories / data and even these might not be suitable to be used for any form of verification.
The whole thing above is rather minor where we shall forget it all though Wikipedia is cutting out many people in a rather poorly handled manner in much of this as there are some out there who know things who are not and have not been be allowed to enter such proper, correct, reliable data because some ' editor ' decided not to.
When you get down to brass tacks, who at Wikipedia is watching over these ' editors ' for their overall accuracy ?
Lastly, there is nothing any of our historical research group have ever entered on Wikipedia at any time over many years now since its startup which is not 100 % totally accurate and correct.
Therefore, we shall leave it at that.
Thank you very much again. 70.27.20.101 70.27.20.166 (talk) 17:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't know that I can address all of the points in your reply, but let me make the following observations:
  • You wrote, "It always greatly appears very few of you ' editors ' do much looking on your own to verify anything as full proper birth name of Nussbaum for Morris Ankrum can be found in a number of sources quite easily." Please see this passage, which says, in part, "If you're the one who adds information to an article, the burden of proof rests on you. If another editor questions you about a specific phrase, sentence, or paragraph, the correct response is to cite your source, as a footnote, rather than say, 'Find it yourself...'" Also, please see WP:BURDEN, which says, in part, "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source ..."
  • You wrote, "When you get down to brass tacks, who at Wikipedia is watching over these ' editors ' for their overall accuracy ?" My answer to that is "other editors". When any editor questions the accuracy of content of an article, he or she has a right to act on that question.
  • You wrote, "One must remember where before computerization for the masses began in 1997 - 1998 all research / checking / verifying was done by hand, and individually, only being possible to find what one could item by item." That is true, but documentation to sources from that era is still possible. Just because something pre-dated the computer era that does not mean it cannot be properly cited in a Wikipedia article.
  • You wrote, "Lastly, there is nothing any of our historical research group have ever entered on Wikipedia at any time over many years now since its startup which is not 100 % totally accurate and correct." Since you have that kind of research, why not cite the source(s) when you add content to articles?
Wikipedia:Verifiability is a basic standard for Wikipedia editors. When any editor overlooks that standard, he or she can expect to have unsourced changes questioned or removed. Eddie Blick (talk) 18:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TEBLIK -
Here is one page which shows his real name as Morris Winslow Nussbaum which is and has been verified as being 100 % correct -
== https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morris_Ankrum&action=edit&undoafter=1226924521&undo=1226949300 ==
-- 70.27.20.101 -- 70.27.20.166 (talk) 02:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC) --[reply]
I don't see any more sourcing of his birth name there than I did when I reverted the addition for being unsourced.
I see no point in continuing this discussion. You and I obvously feel differently about the importance of providing sources in articles. I will continue to try to follow Wikipedia's established policies and guidelines. If you choose not to do so, that is your right, but you should not take offense or be surprised when unsourced content is removed. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you may have the right idea to avoid engaging. Unfortunately, whether it has to do with the need for proper sourcing (or whether it's sufficient to simply assert that one personally knew the article subject), the use of shared accounts, or engaging in name-calling, the edits from this group of people indicate a strong resistance to abiding by simple rules. See here and here for some examples. Larry Hockett (Talk) 01:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do a complete job

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RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1226939915&oldid=1218798165&title=Jay_Paulson

why didn't you revert the whole statement that's been there a long time? It's unsourced too. Even has a tag. Removing just my minor addition is so totally hypocritical.70.161.8.90 (talk) 18:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that suggestion. I have now done so. I should have caught that aspect of it earlier. I apologize for being "so totally hypocritical" when I should have taken a broader-scale approach. Eddie Blick (talk) 18:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Finally an honest non-bullet dodging response from someone on wiki. Thumbs up. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 21:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I try to do my best. Eddie Blick (talk) 21:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Always precious

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Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, @Gerda Arendt! Eddie Blick (talk) 14:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frances Raymond

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Hi Teblick, in your expansion of the Frances Raymond article, you've conflated two different people into one. The Frances Raymond 1869-1961 was a film character actress who lived a long life dying in 1961 in Hollywood. The info you've supplied is of a stage actress and or singer who died in 1901 in New York just judging by the citations: https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/510d47dd-f40a-a3d9-e040-e00a18064a99 Koplimek (talk) 21:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Koplimek, Thank you for contacting me about that problem. I have removed the erroneous content. I apologize for the error. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy Abbate Caldwell

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Hi, I notice you are the creator of this article and have been dealing with unsourced DOB edits over the years. There is a source that could be used, however it is a primary source. It is the California Birth Index, obtainable from either Ancestry or here: https://californiabirthindex.org/birth/nancy_lee_abbate_born_1942_2423267 Saratoga Sam (talk) 14:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note, @Saratoga Sam. Unfortunately, that source cannot be used because, as you pointed out, it is a primary source. [WP:BLPPRIMARY]] prohibits use of primary sources "to support assertions about a living person." It even specifies, "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, ..." I appreciate your mentioning it, though. Eddie Blick (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the clarification! Saratoga Sam (talk) 15:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One more source is available, non-primary. It is The Mickey Mouse Club Scrapbook, compiled by Keith Keller, published by Grosset & Dunlap, New York, 1975, page 32. Saratoga Sam (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Saratoga Sam, Thanks, but I don't have that book. Please feel free to add it. I would appreciate that. Eddie Blick (talk) 16:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for keeping up with Percy.

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From a relative. Lanny Helton 2601:3C4:181:FAC0:D9C:9AD7:4A88:3454 (talk) 21:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Robert Strange (actor)

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Hi @Teblick:, we already making the article for actor Robert Strange, can you help us expand it please? CheAjlt (talk) 23:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this links that you can take information from, as I'm still a novice when it comes to writing biographies:
You can also search for more? CheAjlt (talk) 23:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CheAjlt I appreciate your asking, but I am having problems with newspapers.com. I am unable to sign in, so I cannot create clippings of articles. Perhaps someone else can help you. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so could you please do me the favor to contact another editor for the work please? CheAjlt (talk) 19:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CheAjltUnfortunately, I cannot help in that regard. I create articles on my own. If others want to contribute, they do so after the article is published. I have no knowledge of who might want to do what you are asking. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, at least could you please help me put his complete filmography? CheAjlt (talk) 05:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CheAjlt, I have never constructed a filmography for an article. When appropriate, I like to include some films in the text of an article. Perhaps you can find a good filmography in an existing article and contact the editor who created it, asking for his or her help. Eddie Blick (talk) 14:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BW bday

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I tucked them in the edit summary since, as I noted, I’m not sure how to perma-link IG posts, since they sometimes get purged and such for whatever reason. Besides that, it falls in the guidelines of themselves stating their birthday. —WTRiker (talk) 03:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WTRiker, I had to decipher your shorthand before I realized that you referred to Bebe Wood.
I appreciate your effort to add this information to the article. However, you need to provide that source in an inline citation. Putting it in an edit summary is not sufficient; it still appears unsourced in the article.
I never use social media as sources, but I assume that you could use the "Cite web" template to cite a post on Instagram. However, I have no idea about a perma-link for it. I suggest that you post a question at Wikipedia:Help desk. Someone might provide some good tips there. Eddie Blick (talk) 13:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Added...

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... reference for Mariel Hemingway's sister "Margaux," model and actress. Cheers! Shir-El too 05:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shir-El too, Thanks for making that improvement to the article. I appreciate it. Eddie Blick (talk) 20:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Easy to tag...

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... "citation needed" without cross-checking the material. C'est la vie! Cheers! Shir-El too 14:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shir-El too, It would be even easier to ignore content that needs to be cited, but that would leave the article weaker. Eddie Blick (talk) 14:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help, please...

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Added external link to Kyu Sakamoto but the syntax doesn't work. Can you clean it up or refer me to an expert? Would also like to add it to Sukiyaki (song). Many Thanks! Shir-El too 08:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shir-El too, Check both of those pages now.
Part of the external link on the first one had somehow been misplaced. I corrected that, and then I copied the revised version to the article about the song. Both seem to be working now. I also commented out an existing (but non-working) link to the YouTube video on the page about the song. Eddie Blick (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really appreciate your help. All the Best!!! Shir-El too 15:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shir-El too, You're welcome! Eddie Blick (talk) 16:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Improve pages wherever you can: try to fix it rather than remove it

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I reviewed your series of edits to the article for Maria Dizzia, which removed details related to her birthplace, along with associated categories. In three consecutive edits, you one by one removed her birthplace and then two different categories related to her home state. When I looked at pages that link to her article, I saw that there was a link from Cranford, New Jersey, the place you removed in your first edit. There was even a source there. With minimal effort using Google, I was able to find several reliable and verifiable sources that connected her to Cranford and New Jersey, adding one of them to the article. Wikipedia:Editing policy, states "This page in a nutshell: Improve pages wherever you can, and do not worry about leaving them imperfect. Preserve the value that others add, even if they "did it wrong" (try to fix it rather than remove it)." Yes, I can't source her date of birth and whoever put Cranford, New Jersey, in the article and added categories related to New Jersey "did it wrong". But why not make an attempt to fix the problem, as editing policy requires? Alansohn (talk) 12:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alansohn, Thank you for your feedback. I appreciation your dedication to improving Wikipedia articles. Your admonition/chastisement is duly noted, and I shall try to do better. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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