#indieweb 2019-03-06
2019-03-06 UTC
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jgmac1106 look at these IFTT POSSE strategies: http://www.linkinglearning.com.au/20-my-lifestream-digest-february-26-2019-at-0920pm/
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snarfed stunning analysis of social networks as products: https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2019/2/19/status-as-a-service . many insights i'd never heard before. (beware though, almost 20k words!)
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[tantek] also if status really mattered to all these folks, they'd be putting their proof of work somewhere with more /longevity where they would accrue more value over time (instead of losing big chunks with each site-death)
# [tantek] so I think the paper is flawed. or rather optimistic. if *only* people were actually seeking status we'd all be in much better shape. instead there's a much simpler model which in the short term looks like status (but isn't). dopamine addiction. only explanation for why they don't actually care about longterm accumulation of status - because they seem to only "care" about shortterm status, which happens to be a side-effect of maximizing short term
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[kevinmarks] The Eugene Wei piece is not that new, but it has some interesting analogies, and it is written in the pg smug style so will do well in that statusphere.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
# jeremycherfas Pg?
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# [kevinmarks] Paul graham, YC founder
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# [tantek] also statusphere - I found this origin supposedly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Wolfe#Death_and_legacy
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# [jgmac1106] status as ICO sounds a start up pre announcement for my new token based network...but if you want to see status chasing hang out on LinkedIn...there that is the name of the game
# [jgmac1106] ohh the article yes I found as unresearched dribble
# [jgmac1106] but I come at as someone who knows social capital research, doubt few do
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# [jgmac1106] ...all conjecture....but you will see LinkedIn, now that Microsoft also owns GitHub and Lyda.com, make markers of status less ephemeral and more permanent
# [jgmac1106] as social capital...but that piece ignoring all the historical and cultural effects on social capital is a little grating....buI agree with you tantek not reason why people use social media
# [jgmac1106] do some do it to increase social capital, yes...and old school cash money capital but not the majority
# [jgmac1106] when my mother doesn't like I quot facebook its about baby pictures and not social capital
# [kevinmarks] he's still trying to reduce human interest in other humans to something he can measure and graph.
# [kevinmarks] the definitive PG-mocking is still https://idlewords.com/2005/04/dabblers_and_blowhards.htm
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# jeremycherfas Absolute gold, that piece by Maclej, even though I have absolutely no knowledge of Paul Graham.
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GWG swentel: https://indieweb.org/location#How_to_determine_the_location_of_a_microformat - Got the idea here
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[tonz] In the course of playing with adding check-ins (now via OYS) to my blog (https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/03/adding-check-ins-and-locations/), I was wondering about ‘future destinations’. Like Dopplr.com use to do. For me check-ins are less about where I am and more about making serendipitous meetings possible when I and someone in my wider network are in the same city or area, outside of our usual patterns. Has ‘planning to be in X at date Yâ
# [jgmac1106] !tell tonz I found our CC Global Summit rejection. Caught up in wrong folder
# [jgmac1106] Trying to decide if I should do #Oer19 or The Summit.
# [jgmac1106] Oooh sorry wrong summit. This was the Creative Commons Global Summit. Not IWS
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# jeremycherfas I want to have flights to report. :(
# jeremycherfas Although I'd prefer them to be train rides.
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# [Vincent] Nothing! I am looking forward to many unicycle, skateboard posts also 😛
# [Vincent] If you have the travel info, or you can supply start/end co-ords times etc. The actual “mode” shouldn’t really matter at all.
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# jeremycherfas For posting, absolutely nothing. For actually doing them, cost and inconvenience.
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# [Vincent] Thinking about it:
# [Vincent] 1. You know a friends current location (in theory) from their h-card on their website.
# [Vincent] 2. If your website generated a post when you are at your destination from the journey creation.
# [Vincent] 4. If your destination location, matches theirs. Send them a webmention to let them know you are close by.
# [Vincent] 3. You could then get all the people you are following and their location.
# [Vincent] Could get spammy without some sort of property to say your happy to meet up/ or not as well.
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# [jgmac1106] Rose aaronpk tracks his trains
# [jgmac1106] Vincent had this idea for an opt-in search engine that would have done that. My brother in law was going to help build but then got a big contract and his intern had to be moved
# [Vincent] ha! Just spitballing really, but it feels like there are most of the data and mechanisms in place to already do most of it.
# [Vincent] you can send an RSVP, you can do a location checkin etc..
# [jgmac1106] Only thing I can do is spitball
# [Vincent] [aaronpk] That feels like a powerful demo to put together for presentations 😉
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# [jgmac1106] Idea [Vincent] was a community based search engine and when you sign in with your domain you select what post types can be crawled
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# [jgmac1106] ... But they got a contract to develop a search engine to look up satellite location in real time..so the unbusy Intern got busy
# [Vincent] that’s a shame. Could have been an interesting project
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# [jgmac1106] Still could be, in terms of my teaching I will eventually need a dashboard. Will have to work in similar fashion. Will want to sort post by user, date, type etc
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# [xavierroy] [tonz] Check out https://github.com/johnholdun/jetset for future destinations
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[grantcodes] On your idea [Vincent] I have a checkin channel that shows up as a map in together, but because of aaronpks volume of checkins it pretty much just ends up as a aaron map
# [Vincent] lol
# [Vincent] [grantcodes] Nice idea though
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# [grantcodes] But if you had a server / channel that could store just the last post from each source it would be an up to date map of peoples locations
# [tonz] thanks [xavierroy], will check it out. [aaronpk] yes I’m thinking along the lines of having a non-public feed that others can load in their reader. Keeping it simple as much as possible from a publishing end (just “[tonz] will be in Charlottetown 5-9 June, Montreal 10 June”, leaving the comparison with someone’s own location on their end.) In the reader seems a good place for it.
# [Vincent] You practically have a service for nearby friend notifications already then!
# [Vincent] That’s pretty cool
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aaronpk related to this, i just found https://nomadlist.com which is kind of like a modern day dopplr
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# [Vincent] I like the way PolarSteps uses the map view: https://www.polarsteps.com/
# [Vincent] polar steps has a really nice tracking method, where you can tell it when and where you are travelling and it only turns on location tracking between those periods.
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# jeremycherfas Ready; about to join
# jeremycherfas Uh oh.
# jeremycherfas Server seems to have gone down
# jeremycherfas Should this all be in #meta
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# TheFerridge hello!
# TheFerridge the indieweb plugin for wordpress is frustrating the hell out of me. Does anyone know, isn't it supposed to insert the rel=me stuff into the home page by itself, taking it from the user profile?
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# [jgmac1106] Hello TheFerridge, well if A: you fill out your user profile (wich you probably did) and then add the h-card widget yes it would. If you do not do either of those steps then no it would not
# [jgmac1106] There is a #wordpress channel or if you have a second we are in vHWC-Europe and you can hop into video chat and let me poke around
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# [jgmac1106] ....ugggg I hit the ten gigs of space of my shared host
# [jgmac1106] I need to pay to upgrade.....not the right month
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# [jgmac1106] ahhh found two gigs in my trash....didn't have it set to delete
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/03/06/8/note/
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/03/06/9/note/
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[dmitshur] I’m omw to HWC NYC, just running a bit late. See ya soon!
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[schmarty] [dmitshur] great! i am attempting to save a seat for you!
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# [dmitshur] Awesome thanks!
# [dmitshur] My eta is 15 min.
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# [jgmac1106] !tell eddie nobody came to New Haven so will hop on vHWC Americas
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# TheFerridge Thanks for the reply, I figured it out!
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# TheFerridge I have been doing some tests tonight, though, and I gotta ask... are webmentions just really broken at present? Even simple webmentions from tweets don't seem to work very well
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# TheFerridge I have been playing around with just the out-of-the-box plugins on Wordpress
# TheFerridge And, to see if it works, I've been trying to do a very basic webmention from a tweet. When it did work, only part of the tweet showed up in the comment section
# TheFerridge This is not through Bridgey of anything
# TheFerridge bridgy*
# TheFerridge It's just by entering the URL of the tweet in the bar in the comment section where you're supposed to put it
# TheFerridge Interestingly, a mastodon toot worked better, in that it showed up as a mention when I put the link into the comment section
# TheFerridge Ah I see