#indieweb 2018-05-02
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KartikPrabhu tantek: lol! no I give 2 examples of Left Past and 3 of Left Future unless you can only counting indieweb sites ;)
# KartikPrabhu in anycase, number of examples wasn't the reason for my choice
# KartikPrabhu aah sure.
# KartikPrabhu but you also start at the first page of the book not the last ;)
# KartikPrabhu we are probably retreading our discussion from easrlier :P
# KartikPrabhu yup! and on list of posts on the web you start from most recent post
# KartikPrabhu which is the "first" page
# KartikPrabhu the next page is then to the right
# KartikPrabhu I don't have arrow things on my permalinks :)
# KartikPrabhu only on "feed"/list pages
# KartikPrabhu nope
# KartikPrabhu not on each post no
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[jgmac1106] How I start every lesson on Concepts about Print:
# [jgmac1106] though I have been arguing at literacy research our definition of concept of print must change to account for the web
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# [jgmac1106] So I am trying to learn more about endpoints so I can figure out if I can get OmniBear to Syndicate to twitter through Known and you end up stumbling through history: https://indieweb.org/2011/How_the_Indie_Web_Hooks_into_Hosted_Communities
# [jgmac1106] Our definition of the first page must change. I went from indieweb.org but opened a new tab, was it the search engine?, indieweb.org, or the second link I clicked using my search terms?
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Loqi Ghost is an an open source blogging software project written in node.js, and also a hosted silo at https://ghost.org https://indieweb.org/Ghost
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tantek Thom_M mixed experience so far, some interest in Webmention, yet the key underyling markup was reject in a pull request: https://indieweb.org/Ghost#IndieWeb_Friendly
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[Thom_M] Right on. Thanks, guys
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# [Thom_M] Well, the theme I'm modding has a disqus section built into it, so the path of least resistance is probably to fork the theme, rip out disqus, and replace it with webmentions.
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# pjz how does indieweb interact with the federated social network scene? love/hate/indifferent?
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# Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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# KartikPrabhu what is federated social network?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "federated social network" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "federated social network is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi federation in the context of the indieweb refers to services and features on indieweb sites that work directly with other indieweb sites peer-to-peer, without having to setup or create accounts in both places, and without being bottlenecked by any kind of centralized service or silo https://indieweb.org/federated
# tantek federated social network is /federated
# KartikPrabhu tantek: is that what the question by pjz meant?
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[kevinmarks] If you mean the fediverse, we work with them to interoperate
# KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: the question was what does it mean to say "federated social network"
# KartikPrabhu what is fediverse?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fediverse" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "fediverse is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-05-02/1525219455687000 - good to know the pile of manga I have lying about are “traditional japanese books” ;) AFAIK all manga, even translated to English, is published in a right-to-left page format. (That is, you start at the “last” page of the book, from a Western view point.)
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# tantek still working on in-stream reply-contexts. I was briefly distracted by documenting classic Foursquare badges as inspiration for aaronpk for badge design https://indieweb.org/Foursquare#Foursquare_Badges
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# [kevinmarks] well, bugger, twitter has locked my account for live tweeting, and is sending SMS to my old number
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# [kevinmarks] i haven't been verified no
# [kevinmarks] apparently live tweeting from Dubai shows automated behaviour
# [kevinmarks] maybe it's time to make noterlive use micropub
# [kevinmarks] anyone want to link this and poke twitter about it ?http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/twitter-has-blocked-me-because-my-live
# [kevinmarks] in soviet indieweb, silos quit you
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cweiske if https://github.com/cweiske/anoweco/issues/5 was implemented, you could offer commentpara.de as rsvp hosting silo
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jeremycherfas I think klexz is in Italy
# jeremycherfas In other news, Good morning
# [kevinmarks] there's a reason aaron deprecated SMS verification
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# [kevinmarks] i hope this doesn't revoke my apps too
# [kevinmarks] hm. Realised that I don't think I know anyone at twitter any more, and even if I did , I can't dm them
# Zegnat Portland has its own pages with all the links, e.g.: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-03-14-homebrew-microblog
# Zegnat Baltimore does list them on the wiki: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-05-01-homebrew-website-club#Baltimore_MD
# Zegnat This all comes back to the age-old discussion of event organisers feeling they do not reach people through the wiki, I guess. https://indieweb.org/events/2018-05-02-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg does not link to https://www.facebook.com/events/925100131002522/ probably because jkphl is not a big wiki user himself and has a better visit rate from the FB event.
# jeremycherfas vHWC tonight?
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# jeremycherfas I wasn't planning on organising. Don't really know what is involved, especially for vHWC. I guess we can all use sknebel's Mumble, although I have no idea what to do if there are problems.
# jeremycherfas I think it would be useful to have a discussion around auth. There have been so many changes lately that I am definitely confused, and if it results in me being able to do a write up, that would be a bonus.
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# Zegnat Alright, this’ll have to pass for the indie event: https://licit.li/5ae99cc52af2b
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# jeremycherfas RSVPd and also mentioned it on micro.blog and 10C
# jeremycherfas Well, don't get your hopes up.
# jeremycherfas At least the two of us can have a nice chat.
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# jeremycherfas I've a feeling that in our Specific case, Mumble may be a bigger problem.
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petermolnar no surprise there, for 2 reasons: better voice codecs and less bandwidth due to no video
# petermolnar however
# petermolnar given webrtc is p2p, these might not be the sole reasons
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# [kevinmarks] I'll see how I'm fixed at that time in this time zone
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# [kevinmarks] Hah, Twitter is still sending me follow notifications, despite not displaying anything to me on my account.
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# Zegnat 10 minutes until Virtual HWC https://indieweb.org/events/2018-05-02-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time - Why not join us?
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# Loqi Virtual HWC https://indieweb.org/events/2018-05-02-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time - Why not join us?
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jmac A website way out yonder linked to a blog post of mine. The first thing I thought was "hey cool" and the second thing I thought was "Oh boy, a non-Bridgy webmention source I can paste in!" and the third thing was "Uhhh I should test this locally first, because my WM implementation is probably so rubbish that it would burn down my blog."
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# [kevinmarks] did you try webmention.rocks ? if so you're probably OK
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aaronpk even if not, there's still the danger of parsing only the exact mf2 structure that bridgy produces rather than the quite varied markup that exists elsewhere. see /authorship
# jmac [snarfed]: Yes. And let it never be said I was proud. But: https://metacpan.org/pod/Web::Mention
# jmac Ohh, I misread. That's my WM parser, my MF2 parser is here: https://metacpan.org/pod/Web::Microformats2
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pstuifzand I also have one that I use in my website, written a few weeks ago
# pstuifzand but not really following the spec I think and very alpha
# pstuifzand it's trying to replace the one I wrote with Web::Scraper. That one has it's own problems
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "The IndieWeb privacy challenge (Webmentions, silo backfeeds, and the GDPR)" https://sebastiangreger.net/2018/05/indieweb-privacy-challenge-webmentions-backfeeds-gdpr/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/05/02/8/)
# petermolnar that's some modern perl
# pstuifzand It's cool to see someone else using Perl as well
# pstuifzand I heard there was a test suite somewhere. It would be nice if we could create a git repo with an actual tests, which we both can use
# pstuifzand html files and canonical MF2 representation
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skippy https://skippy.net/ten-years/ my ten year reflection. will have to write another one for two decades.
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# [Vanessa] Thanks for the chat. I really enjoyed it. Hopefully see you next time. 😀
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# [Vanessa] Ah, ok. My microblog-type site is blog.vanessahamshere.uk and my main 10C-hosted blog that I put longer posts on is hazardwarning.me.uk
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# jeremycherfas He will.
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chrisaldrich I wonder if the Federated Social Network question posed by pjz earlier was in reference to this article? https://medium.com/we-distribute/a-quick-guide-to-the-free-network-c069309f334
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# chrisaldrich pjz, if that's the case snarfed has a project that is attempting to bridge the gap which hadn't been mentioned: https://indieweb.org/Bridgy_Fed
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# [John] Hello indieweb! Thanks for introducing me to Omnibear. It looks like a great tool but I'm having difficulty getting it to work with Known. Has anyone been successful at this?
# [John] Feel free to tell me to RTFM if I'm missing something obvious. :)
# [John] When trying to reply to a post I get "Error authenticating to micropub endpoint. Try logging out and logging back in. " I followed their advice but it didn't work.
# [John] Strange since the set up seemed to work (I'm using Known as my blog)
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# [John] When I look at the Auth details in Omnibear it seems OK. Domain name, micropub endpoint and token are all set up.
# [John] Is there another way I could test my micropub endpoint? I've been able to podt previously to my site using Quill and Indigenous.
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# [chrisaldrich] [John] I think that [jgmac1106] has been using Omnibear with Known recently. Not sure if he's been having any issues, and if I recall he's running the older 0.99 "official" release instead of the github master branch.
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# [John] Thanks Chris, I'll look into it
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# jgmac1106_ [chrisalrich] [john] Yes I have tried Omnibear with my Known. I can publish to Known, but I have not configured out how to set up the endpoints in the OmniBear settings to it syndicates to Twitter (if I even can)
# jgmac1106_ So an important side effect in my classes where I focus on owning your own data and domain is how more open students become. The ignite talk in these classes have been amazing and I don’t think I would have gotten their without the focus on controlling identity. My students have discussed: mental illness in college, overcoming addiction, coming out,admitting to class they suffer addiction, being a teen mom, being a homeless college student. Real
# jgmac1106_ stories I may not have gotten with a focus on controlling your own narrative
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# [John] jgmac1106_ it's good to know this is possible. I must have done something wrong in the registration process. Thanks for confirming!
# Zegnat Wow. That latest write-up by sgreger is huge and thought provoking! His way of “verifying” webmentions is interesting as well. Good stuff. Link for people who haven’t seen it yet: https://sebastiangreger.net/2018/05/indieweb-privacy-challenge-webmentions-backfeeds-gdpr/
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# [jgmac1106] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAGNV9E7K/omnibeartest.gif?pub_secret=32cb9afd3d&name=omnibeartest.gif Wasn't your authentication process just using IndieAuth?
# [jgmac1106] oops didn't make licecap big enough, but all it said on bottom is ehre I am syndicated
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# pstuifzand syndication endpoints don't work in omnibear at the moment, I submitted a PR that fixes the problem
# pstuifzand s/endpoints/targets/
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# [kevinmarks] I should declare HWC Dubai if solo ones count
# [kevinmarks] Or maybe call for one tomorrow night, though without my twitter to amplify it I would likely be solo anyway.
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# [kevinmarks] For the badges discussion earlier, do barnstars count? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars
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# [John] I contacted Salt about starting an IWC for Seattle since he mentioned it during his talk at Linuxfest NW.
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# [jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] a great example since it is community awarded but also has credibility value of the foundation, its a beautiful evening and my oldest is out on the course for a golf lesson. Trying to summarize my thinking on the subject
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# [jgmac1106] Serindipity is rarely an accident.
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