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#indiewebcamp 2015-02-02

2015-02-02 UTC
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ben_thatmust GWG, how do you mean? share a hotel room?
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GWG ben_thatmust: I can get a great deal with my employee benefits
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GWG They'll give me a studio with a kitchenette, two breakfasts, and free net
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ben_thatmust so what do you need from me?
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GWG ben_thatmust: It comes with a sofabed
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GWG If I can find someone to sleep on the sofabed, they and I can save money
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GWG I'm asking you to keep a lookout for a sofabed sleeper as you organize
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snarfed hey GWG, sorry for the bridgy publish 400s. if you shift refresh your user page, it should work then
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message on 1/31 at 10:05pm: oddly got a 403 while trying to like this post on FB http://tantek.com/2015/031/f2
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GWG snarfed: I POSSEd manually. I was going to report
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Loqi [mention] http://indiewebcamp.com posted 'Sign in with your domain What is the IndieWeb? The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. Your...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/File:iwc-cambridge-sway.gif
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Loqi [mention] http://indiewebcamp.com posted 'Sign in with your domain What is the IndieWeb? The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. Your...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k
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tantek KevinMarks: any particular new TLDs you're partial to? I might be willing to consider case-by-case exceptions.
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GWG There are too many of them
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GWG tantek: For only $15, I can get tantek.ninja
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tantek there are too many that you're partial to?
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tantek !tell kylewm,snarfed I tried to like this FB photo http://tantek.com/2015/032/f1but got the error message: "Sorry, the Facebook API doesn't support liking pages."
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG tantek: Too many new ones. It confuses me
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GWG I have some .com and a few .us . But very few other ones
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tantek GWG I agree "Too many new ones. It confuses me" and will add, it annoys me.
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tantek all they've done is worse the paradox of choice situation with TLDs
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tantek s/worse/worsen
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Loqi tantek meant to say: all they've done is worsen the paradox of choice situation with TLDs
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@ricksmithbooks Learn how to publish your PAPERBACK with CreateSpace on Amazon. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RPP01H0 (twitter.com/_/status/562074218448568320)
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tantek and I found a bug in my like implementation with handling URLs with ampersands :(
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KartikPrabhu I don't think publishing with Amazon counts as indieauth or any kind
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tantek hah yeah
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GWG But everyone assumes .com
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GWG Few people assume the others.
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tantek KartikPrabhu, can't wait for aaronpk the get the @indieauth account so he can @-reply to such tweets with such commentary.
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KartikPrabhu :)
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tantek GWG, pretty much. the others only really useful for shorteners
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tantek or neutral "org" branding. maybe "edu" and "gov" as well.
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tantek obv ccTLDs make sense
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tantek but the rest, they can get off my lawn
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GWG My problem is, I'm not a company.
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GWG But I own a .com
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aaronpk nah publishing on amazon is totally indie
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GWG As do most of us
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GWG .com doesn't mean anything anymore.
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tantek it means more legit than other fly-by-night domains
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aaronpk the point of indie publishing is to not go through a publisher
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tantek like .info or .name
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aaronpk you can just make a book and start selling it on amazon without needing to get a contract with a publisher
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tantek aaronpk - publishing on Amazon is not indie when they require *exclusive* distribution
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aaronpk i don't think they require exclusive distribution
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aaronpk https://www.createspace.com/diy "Keep control. Maintain complete creative control and own your copyright with our non-exclusive agreement."
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tantek not yet
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aaronpk yet?
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tantek yeah - I expect all the silos to put more and more exclusive pressure in the future
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tantek like YouTube with videos
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GWG I think I likened it to The Cask of Amontillado.
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aaronpk ah, well createspace is really just a printing service
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aaronpk you can also just get things printed using createspace, you don't have to sell them on amazon
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GWG aaronpk: You track location, food, etc. Do you track weather?
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aaronpk GWG: yeah right now i use a weather api and query it based on my current location, so I get the weather wherever I am
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GWG aaronpk: You store it?
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GWG aaronpk: Or just for your own information?
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aaronpk yeah it's stored in a DB every 15 minutes
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aaronpk what I want to do is add a little line next to all my posts with the location and the weather
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GWG I'm looking into monitoring the temperature myself and storing it.
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aaronpk i have a netatmo at home but i'm not archiving that myself right now
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GWG aaronpk: How is that? I saw reviews saying it was surprisingly not waterproof for an outdoor object
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aaronpk i haven't had it sitting in a super wet environment
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GWG I'm not sure I'm going to do it, but I was thinking of sending weather info to my sie.
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GWG site
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aaronpk well here's my plan: https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/63
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GWG That was along the lines of what I was thinking.
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GWG Is there mf2 for weather?
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aaronpk good question!
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GWG I try.
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GWG The next question is weather a kind of post in itself in addition to being data on a post.
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aaronpk sure it could be
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aaronpk a weather station would generate weather posts
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GWG What is weather?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "weather" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=weather
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GWG Guess I better get on that
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tantek aaronpk "it could be", but it's not really interesting until someone finds a reason to make it so.
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tantek AFAIK there are no current implementations / UIs for "weather posts", silo or not
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aaronpk yeah there haven't really been many exmaples of non-people with indieweb accounts.
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aaronpk the closest is indiewebcat.com but she's arguably a person ;)
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tantek oh you mean "weather" as an entity
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aaronpk I *have* been secretly planning on making a p3k instance for my house...
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tantek I thought you mean "weather posts" like "scrobble posts" or "reading posts"
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tantek something you passively experience
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GWG aaronpk: I'm waiting for things to have sites, or subsites
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aaronpk nah, I know I wouldn't publish posts like that on my site
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tantek I suppose you could go back to shipman's logs for that kind of "post"
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aaronpk ha!
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tantek since they logged the weather and such
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tantek haven't seen it on the web yet though
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aaronpk facebook does it for events
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aaronpk okay there's the start of the /weather page, heh
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tantek well, as an *attribute* of an event right?
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GWG How about those accounts on silos such as someone's scale or such?
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tantek like "location"
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aaronpk yeah an attribute of posts
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tantek similarly, Nike+ adds weather as an attribute of each "run" post
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tantek right, so there's three interpretation
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tantek weather as an attribute of a post, like location
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tantek weather as a passive experienced post, like a scrobble
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aaronpk can you add a screenshot of Nike+?
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tantek weather as an independent entity that "does" things
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tantek ok
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tantek what is Nike+?
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Loqi Nike+ is an exercise activity hosting silo operated by Nike https://indiewebcamp.com/Nike%2B
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GWG tantek: That makes it two questions
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tantek no I said three
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tantek 1. attribute. 2. passive experience. 3. entity
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GWG I'm confused about 2 and 3
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aaronpk what about a post from an inanimate object like a house or a weather station? that's not quite a passive experience but may be close
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GWG Attribute I get
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aaronpk hmm facebook seems to remove the weather attribute for past events
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aaronpk now it's not showing me weather on new events either. oh well, can't get a screenshot right now then.
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GWG tantek: Can you elaborate on weather as an entity and passive experience?
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GWG I'm trying to wrap my mind around it
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aaronpk passive experience would be similar to things like music you listen to
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GWG Do we have that in the wiki?
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GWG What is music?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "music" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=music
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GWG Okay. More worm cans opened
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aaronparecki.com created /music (+21) "for now" (view diff)
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GWG This raises more questions
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kylewm tantek: did you delete the like post that gave you an error?
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 53 minutes ago: I tried to like this FB photo http://tantek.com/2015/032/f1but got the error message: "Sorry, the Facebook API doesn't support liking pages."
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GWG What is a passive post?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "passive post" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=passive+post
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tantek kylewm: yeah
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tantek this was the u-like-of URL: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204561339047703&set=a.10204145890661753.1073741846.1060530082
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tantek what is scrobbling?
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track) that you have listened to https://indiewebcamp.com/scrobbling
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tantek GWG, logging a passive experience, e.g. scrobble, or abovementioned historical case of shipmen recording the weather in their log book
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tantek GWG, weather as an entity, see @karlthefog
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kylewm thanks
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tantek GWG, aaronpk's example of a weather station is perhaps another example of a (machine) entity, that is passively experiencing the weather
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tantek is not going to worry about the cloud-seeding case until someone here starts doing that.
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tantek kylewm np. turned out something in my like post aggregation code to generate my home page is heisenbroken and I don't have the mental accuity to debug it tonight
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tantek heisenbug - a bug that disappears when you turn debugging on
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tantek heisenbroken - when a feature is only broken in non-debug mode/build.
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aaronpk oh i forgot about @karlthefog!
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tantek aaronpk - I was waiting for someone to connect "entity" and Karl. Then I got impatient ;)
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aaronpk oh there is also https://twitter.com/portlandsun !
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aaronpk and https://twitter.com/PortlandRain
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aaronpk side note: wow lame url shortener practices... budurl.com/raininterview
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aaronpk bad paste sorry
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aaronpk http://budurl.com/raininterview redirects to http://budurl.com/?expired/raininterview with a message "To re-enable this link, please reactivate your account by choosing an active plan."
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tantek what that's pretty messed up
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bret.io edited /events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club (-45) "/* Where */ PDX is on" (view diff)
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tantek what is budurl?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "budurl" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=budurl
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tantek aaronpk /budurl#Criticism?
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bret.io edited /events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club (+21) "/* URLs */ Added calagator link" (view diff)
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aaronpk bah i gotta stop talking here unless i have time to edit wiki pages ;)
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bret.io edited /events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club (+25) "/* RSVP */ See you all there!" (view diff)
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bret aaronpk: or you could make a Loqi command to stub a page with a quick sentence
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Loqi is done
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tantek aaronpk - or mentor an apprentice into creating / editing wiki pages following your lead
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aaronpk lol I like the two different approaches
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tantek aaronpk - wondering if some minor "this week" metrics would gamify some wiki page editing / creating.
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tantek e.g. "top 10 new page creators" (not just redirects), "top 10 page editors" - though I suppose we should ask tommorris if WP has any experience with such metrics / gamifying.
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aaronpk ooh I do like that idea
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tantek (just wondering about potential backfiring of such leaderboards)
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tantek the fact that it would change every week might make it ok
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@johnnyhockin @indiewebcamp yes! follower 666 (twitter.com/_/status/562104446877200384)
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david.shanske.com created /weather (+513) "Created page with "<dfn>Weather</dfn> is the state of the atmosphere at a place and time as regards heat, dryness, sunshine, wind, rain, etc. Weather can be an attribute of a [[post]], a log of a ..."" (view diff)
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GWG There
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GWG http://microformats.org/wiki/measure-examples - Seems a bit dated
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tantek indeed
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GWG http://microformats.org/wiki/measure-brainstorming - Less dated, but still lacking
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tantek back when we didn't have as stringnt real world criteria :/
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tantek feel free to edit and improve!
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GWG The MF2 wiki, or the Indieweb one?
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@johnnyhockin The #indieweb is using technology to disrupt the corporate-controlled web: http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ (twitter.com/_/status/562107871174078464)
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tantek GWG - both - the raw microformats research is probably better on the microformats wiki
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GWG I'm not sure where to start on that.
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GWG New to suggesting formats
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tantek where to start: concrete real world use-cases on indiewebcamp
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GWG Ok. Will start there
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david.shanske.com edited /weather (+812) (view diff)
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KevinMarks__ Hm, new tlds I have bought: .media .house .club
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@ricksmithbooks Publish your printed book on Amazon with this step-by-step guide. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RPP01H0 (twitter.com/_/status/562135988294918145)
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KevinMarks__ Also .link and .international
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KevinMarks__ And .actor
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GWG kevinmarks.actor?
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@kevinmarks http://xkcd.com/1481/ finally catches up to where @t and I were a decade ago http://tantek.com/presentations/20040928sdforumws/semantic-xhtml.html #microformats #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/562140298428432384)
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KevinMarks__ No, nyt.actor with the idea of subdomains for national youth theatre alumni
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KevinMarks__ Similarly mixes.house for djs
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: http://xkcd.com/1481/ finally catches up to where @t and I were a decade ago http://tantek.com/presentations/20040928sdforumws/semantic-xhtml.html #microformats #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/562143107416743936)
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@syawal RT @kevinmarks: http://xkcd.com/1481/ finally catches up to where @t and I were a decade ago http://tantek.com/presentations/20040928sdforumws/semantic-xhtml.html #microformats #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/562144869167022081)
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KartikPrabhu oh no! lat one is wrong channle :P
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hmans I'm having a hard time finding more specific information about u-uid in h-entry.
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hmans I've been assuming that u-uid is supposed to remain the same even if the post itself changes (including changes to its URL), but I only see people using it alongside u-url.
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hmans (context: deduplication of incoming webmentions)
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KartikPrabhu hmans: u-uid might not be what you need for dedup of webmention especially is th URL changes. If the URL changes it might be better to resend a webmention from old URL which does a 403 redirect from to the new one
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hmans KartikPrabhu, noted
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KartikPrabhu hmans: also i think u-uid is expected to the a unique-id for the h-entry in a particular domain possibly. So I would be nice if authors respected that (like a canonica URL), but who knows!
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hmans KartikPrabhu, ideally it would be a fully functional URL that never changes through the lifetime of a post and always redirects to the post's current canonical (in a human-readable, or SEO sense) URL.
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KartikPrabhu yes
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hmans This would make deduplication trivial
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KartikPrabhu but i have no data on how most author use it
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hmans eg. if you receive a webmention, and the source URL has a u-uid that you already know, you can HEAD the known UID to verify that the new source URL is indeed the current canonical URL of the post.
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hmans A lot of people simply don't use it at all, it appears
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KartikPrabhu right. it depends on how authors use u-uid and how webmention de dup is implemented
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KevinMarks_ u-uid was originally for hcard, not posts
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KevinMarks_ http://microformats.org/wiki/uid
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KevinMarks_ hm, this seems annoyingly retro: http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-god-login/
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Loqi [bridgy] Chanhee Lee favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ko (https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/559448141527650304)
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Loqi [bridgy] Chanhee Lee favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles-ko (https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/559448141527650304)
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@pierreozoux @kylewm2 What is woodwind? http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Search?search=woodwind&fulltext=Search (twitter.com/_/status/562193569784803328)
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KevinMarks_ want to try http://svgur.com/
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@tistre RT @kevinmarks: http://xkcd.com/1481/ finally catches up to where @t and I were a decade ago http://tantek.com/presentations/20040928sdforumws/semantic-xhtml.html #microformats #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/562237027119562752)
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tantek good morning #Indiewebcamp! here briefly until flight attendants tell us to put devices away.
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tantek hmans - you have to do much more than URL equivalency for de-duping
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tantek in fact, that's probably the least important
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tantek more important: de-duping with POSSE copies
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tantek hmans - see what is deduplication
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Loqi Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/deduplication
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tantek KevinMarks: meh, seems like another apologism article for both legacy email login, and NASCAR. not an interesting blog post.
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tantek KevinMarks: .media you bought for your son right?
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tantek and you seriously got "mixes.house"? wow
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tantek what about club link and international? what did you get with those?
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tantek ok off for now!
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Loqi [bridgy] KyleWm replied '@pierreozoux it's a small feed reader I'm working on github.com/kylewm/woodwind' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Search?search=woodwind&fulltext=Search (https://twitter.com/kylewm2/status/562273273170239488)
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kylewm python's package index stats are really wonky. how i wish 800 people had downloaded Flask-Micropub this month, but I just don't buy it
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aaronpk probably lots of bots crawling the package library
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aaronpk i've seen a bunch of twitter bots tweet out new packages
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@dkreuz #WSGI the functional way is just fun. Implemented a simple #webmention endpoint. #python #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/562303580406026241)
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@sethgoldstein @kevinmarks i have a podcast called The Interview Show on @Phillytech_org. I'd love to interview you about the IndieWeb and what you're up 2 (twitter.com/_/status/562309256163373056)
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tantek KevinMarks - awesome: http://www.xkcd.com/1481
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tantek that needs to be added to /microformats
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` "ACCESS LIMITS: Clients may maintain connections to the server for no more than 86,400 seconds per day. If you need additional time, you may contact IERS to file a request for up to one additional second."
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millette speaking of interviews, http://redecentralize.org/interviews/ would be nice
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millette gRegor`, that extra second can come in handy once every few years, don't underestimate it!
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tantek When is the next hwc?
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gRegor` February 11th ;)
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tantek ^^^ aaronpk, Loqi-task: "when is" = same page finding algorithm as "what is", then look for "dt-start" and "p-name" inside the first "h-event" on the page, and if found (optional also look for "p-location") return "p-name is dt-start at p-location. URL-following-wiki-redirects"
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aaronpk hah nice
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tantek then people could ask things like:
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millette allô renoir :-)
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tantek when is the next indiewebcamp?
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gregorlove.com edited /Loqi (+38) "/* Ideas */ X" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, and related Loqi-task: "where is" = "when is" except "p-location" required not optional, and text returned slightly different to reflect different focus: "p-name is at p-location, dt-start. page-URL-following-wiki-redirects"
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Loqi grins profusely
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tantek ^^^ he wants the new capabilities.
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millette renoirb, perhaps you'd be interested in https://github.com/redecentralize/swarm/wiki/Montreal,-Canada ?
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renoirb_ sorry, re-configuring stuff
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@raretrack RT @kevinmarks: http://xkcd.com/1481/ finally catches up to where @t and I were a decade ago http://tantek.com/presentations/20040928sdforumws/semantic-xhtml.html #microformats #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/562314017604386818)
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tantek KevinMarks, amazing: http://imgur.com/eWjDz re: images vs. HTML text in posts on silos
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Loqi [mention] http://www.epischel.de/wordpress/2015/02/dezentrales-netz/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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KevinMarks You hadn't seen that before? Christopher made it from my post
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KevinMarks http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011/12/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun.html
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@raretrack Another step towards controlling my own data on the #indieweb ; re-licenced my photos on #Flickr to be #AllRightsReserved #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/562316227314327552)
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KevinMarks He said "good point but the people who you need to reach look at images"
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raretrack Didn't realise my tagged tweets turned up here automatically. Cool!
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aaronpk heh yeah that was part of that discussion ;)
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sandro Is the a de-facto standard for what image from a page is used to grab attention when just a link-to-html is provided? If that were well known, and carefully managed, that could help.
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millette sandro, facebook's opengraph <meta property="og:image" content="..." />
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aaronpk the first u-image in the h-entry
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aaronpk u-photo*
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sandro Have we seen a nice tool to make that image be a nice graphic of the key bit of the page, eg for a blog post? That seems not-too-hard.
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kylewm aaronpk: sandro: u-featured has also been proposed http://indiewebcamp.com/link-preview#u-featured
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aaronpk ah yeah
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aaronpk if thet author wants to make it explicit
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kylewm waht's a good place on the wiki to collect suggestions like "hey you should do an interview with redecentralize.org or XYZ podcast?"
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gRegor` 'you' being any indieweb person?
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kylewm yep
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gRegor` /interview_requests maybe, but that's pretty specific.
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gRegor` /media_requests? Sounds pretty formal
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kylewm \/outreach?
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gRegor` That sounds good
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tantek welcome sandro!
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ben_thatmust hey guys
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sandro waves to tantek from meeting
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sandro hopes tantek saw email from evan and can join socweb prep meeting before wg meeting tomorrow
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tantek oh no I didn't - thanks for the heads-up
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tantek chairs call at 9 then?
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sandro 9 pacific time, yes
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tantek sandro - aside: not sure you saw but I posted SWAT0 in lossless retweetable tweet summary form, POSSE copy even, including permalinkcitation: https://twitter.com/t/status/560921112767242241
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@t SWAT0 A posts+tags mobile photo of B B photo notified C(follows A) sees it; replies A&B comment notified Prev: http://tantek.com/2015/029/t1/swat0-posts-tags-mobile-photo-comment (twitter.com/_/status/560921112767242241)
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tantek (originally looks better than IRC summary, since it includes key line-breaks :) )
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tantek http://tantek.com/2015/029/t1/swat0-posts-tags-mobile-photo-comment
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tantek wonders when Social Web WG comms will be posted on the social web.
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millette we should take that up with the co-chairs
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Loqi definitely
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tantek.com created /email-list (+24) "r" (view diff)
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tantek millette - so true. Here's my contribution so far: http://indiewebcamp.com/email_list#POSSE_to_an_email_list
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aaronpk what is the social web?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "social web" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=social+web
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tantek touché
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tantek oh wait I have a citation for that
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tantek here you go: http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2014-09-23#t1411490774353 :D
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millette "URL you can curl" - does that exclude client js sites?
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aaronpk yes
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kylewm.com created /outreach (+581) "stub a page with redecentralize suggestion" (view diff)
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bret yes... unless the single page application builds in a way to deliver the data in a way that curl can handle
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bret (but mostly unreliable)
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kylewm speaking of "After twenty years of service I'm pleased to announce a complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application with a distributed database which will last us for at least 20 years, maybe 200. " http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiWikiSystemNotice
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millette kylewm, thanks for the edit
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millette single page app = client js, unfortunately
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aaronpk wait what... ward is moving the whole c2.com wiki to fedwiki?
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kylewm "The best parts will migrate into the federated wiki and the rest frozen or discarded."
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kylewm c2.fed.wiki.org/view/migrating-wiki
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kylewm bonkers right?
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millette aaronpk, accoring the front page, yes http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FrontPage "Please read WikiWikiSystemNotice for the latest information regarding the operation of this site."
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tantek millette you can pretty much treat client js sites as if they don't exist, they're typically gone/broken in < 1 yr.
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aaronpk wow
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millette shattering :-(
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tantek and when client js sites disappear - they're gone gone gone - no meaningful archive.org presence, because there's no server for all that eager / lazy XHR to go get anything from, no database to query, etc.
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tantek "We've recently endured abuse that has moved our conversion date forward" <-- WTF? what was the abuse? anyone know?
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bret tantek: not sure, but maybe the hacker news comments?
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bret made it to front page recently
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tantek.com created /social_web (+706) "stub with dfn, related dfn, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Federated_Social_Web (+17) "/* See Also */ social web" (view diff)
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tantek what is the social web?
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Loqi The social web refers to the subset of the web that has social content, that is, content, like posts, which has obvious visible authorship (even if pseudonymous), and mentions other people or other social web content, via URL reference, not just name https://indiewebcamp.com/social_web
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bret tantek: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8983158
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tantek bret, ouch: " The panels popping up seemingly infinitely into the right side of the screen (every click makes a new panel) is unfamiliar and doesn't seem to provide a compelling value over giving the content a valuable piece of center page real estate. It feels like it is too proud of its cleverness, and that detracts from its value."
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aaronpk heh "Javascript pages are the 'Flash site' of the 2010s and I can't wait until it's similarly consigned to its rightful place in the dustbin of history."
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tantek (kinda have to agree)
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tantek aaronpk wow that's a great quote
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tantek and this is the I told you so: "The new wiki is doomed by design, because content can not be found by Google or any other search engine. And a wiki where the content can not be found is for the trashcan."
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.offeryour.com/?p=33081 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/API (pingback)
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millette returns to his dhtml app
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kylewm millette++
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Loqi millette has 3 karma
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millette I split my website in two: admin is full javascript (and a wiki), but publishing is plain html (sits in couchdb)
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@hackernewsfire API http://indiewebcamp.com/API (twitter.com/_/status/562334461426413569)
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aaronpk admin stuff as a js app is totally fine, cause it's actually an app...
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aaronpk and it doesn't need permalinks, etc
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millette aaronpk, exactly my thought
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@dkreuz @srhnsn GitHub is a silo. I will publish it on my site. Maybe I will #POSSE it to GitHub later ;) #yoyod #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/562340524619993089)
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gRegor` What is DHTML?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DHTML" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=DHTML
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aaronpk I remember debating whether I should learn DHTML
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tantek lolol
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tantek " Holy SEO Fail Batman... Google only returning ~ 19 pages ( site:c2.fed.wiki.org * ) vs. 80K from c2.com" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8984485
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gRegor` Related: http://dhtmlconf.com/
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aaronpk omg that thread is getting ridiculously long
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gRegor` jennschiffer++
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Loqi jennschiffer has 1 karma
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gregorlove.com created /DHTML (+68) "stub" (view diff)
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gRegor` what is DHTML?
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Loqi DHTML is just JavaScript and HTML https://indiewebcamp.com/DHTML
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gRegor` :)
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tantek and the DOM
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aaronpk welcome pdxleif!
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aaronpk what are comments?
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Loqi A comment is a kind of post that is in reply to some other post, that makes little or no sense without reading or at least knowing the context of the source post https://indiewebcamp.com/comments
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tantek.com edited /DHTML (+147) "expand dfn" (view diff)
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@erikpischel Thema "Dezentrales #Netz " #hosting #indieweb http://www.epischel.de/wordpress/2015/02/dezentrales-netz/ : https://indiewebcamp.com/ http://schmalenstroer.net/blog/2015/01/das-dezentrale-netz-ein-zwischenbericht/ (twitter.com/_/status/562350730577993728)
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bigbluehat millette++ for using CouchDB ^_^
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Loqi millette has 4 karma
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Loqi [bridgy] Мари Мари +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/2013 (https://plus.google.com/109182513536739786206/posts/8s4f5ms8etK)
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aaronpk well that's an odd +1
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aaronpk that post is 2 years old
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fiatjaf millette, do you use CouchDB for what?
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millette because someone has to!
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bigbluehat awecomone! ;)
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millette I use it to build/host websites mostly,
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bigbluehat it's good for other stuff to...like data
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millette and recently starting using pouchdb too to make offline stuff.
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bigbluehat couple it with pouchdb.com and you might just change how you build apps
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bigbluehat there yah go :)
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millette bigbluehat, exactly, http://robin.millette.info/ is my public site (plain html) and http://admin.robin.millette.info/ is backed by pouchdb, mostly js client stuff, and it works offline too.
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bigbluehat super nice!
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bigbluehat I'm working on a PouchDB + CouchDB-based CMS (rewrite) at http://github.com/bigbluehat/blueink
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bigbluehat if you're bored ;)
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millette I haven't put much indieweb stuff into it yet, but that's my first priority now.
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millette oh, and releasing my sources, too.
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bigbluehat cool stuff!
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millette bigbluehat++ for blueink - great ideas in there :-)
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bigbluehat tnx! ^_^
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bigbluehat lots more en route
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bigbluehat mostly around editing and page management
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bigbluehat if you want to see what I'm porting, check out http://demo.blueinkcms.com/
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millette we should take this to #indiechat (offtopic)
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bigbluehat works for me
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millette unless blueink is indiewebbified ;-)
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Loqi agreed.
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kylewm on topic, IMO
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fiatjaf that is awesome.
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GWG I'm thinking of creating post type for snow
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GWG There will be many snow type posts
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tantek aaronpk, in addition to "created" and "edited" wiki pages metrics (top 10 per week), perhaps consider the "prompted"
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aaronpk ha!
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tantek as in, when someone asks "what is …" which is then followed within 24hrs by the creation of that wiki page
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tantek that someone should get credit for "prompting"
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tantek top 10 prompters per week would be hilarious
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tantek if you self-prompt, you only get credit for the creating, not the prompting
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tantek go
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aaronpk i'm gonna have to parse irc logs to figure that out huh
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tantek hmm does referer help?
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/this-week/issues/2
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aaronpk i don't get referer in the wiki edit history
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tantek what is stringly typed?
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aaronpk luckily the entire IRC log for the week can be parsed with only 7 http requests
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "stringly typed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=stringly+typed
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tantek It looks like we don't have a page for "stringly typed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=stringly+typed&utm_prompter=tantek
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tantek >:D utm_prompter
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aaronpk oh jeez
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=stringly+typed&summary=%28prompted+by+tantek%29
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aaronpk so if people don't cheat and don't remove the summary it would show up in the wiki edit
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tantek could even include a permalink to the "what is" in the logs
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aaronpk !!
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aaronpk oh crap except Loqi doesn't know what the permalink is at that point
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aaronpk maybe he does... let me check
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tantek prompted+by+tantek[indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-02#…]
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tantek permalink of the "what is.." statement
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tantek not Loqi's prompting (It looks like)
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek :D
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aaronpk oh hey he does know the permalink because it's based off of the timestamp
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aaronpk what is stringly typed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "stringly typed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=stringly+typed&summary=%28prompted+by+aaronpk+https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-02/line/1422915433643%29
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kylewm what is tanteking?
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Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indiewebcamp.com/tanteking
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aaronpk well at the very least now new wiki pages from IRC prompts will link back to the IRC convo!
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tantek as long as the trailing ")" is not autolinked, or indiewebcamp's IRC logs know to ignore a trailing paren and redirect
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tantek (prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-02/line/1422915433643)
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aaronpk well the whole thing is url encoded in the irc logs
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aaronpk it's the wiki that has to know not to autolink the )
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aaronpk in recentchanges
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kylewm do the logs use cassis to autolink?
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aaronpk i dont' remember
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@adamprocter Can anyone join gophers slack?making inline comment thing on a #golang #markdown static blog possibly with mysql/webmentions… looking 4 help (twitter.com/_/status/562377858879074304)
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KevinMarks_ GWG++ for snowclone joke
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